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they can easily make that illegal, i mean make it illegal to install blue light on non self driving cars, or while not self driving

jessriedel 3y ago
I'm sure it is illegal as part of the new regulation. The color is legally reserved for a particular car mode. Likewise, you can't have bright red lights that turn on-and-off when you're not braking because that light behavior is legal but reserved for the braking mode.) (It's true that this will be more difficult to enforce than prohibitions against using darker blue, since a regular passenger car using them is clearly a violation, whereas pulling someone over for the light blue will presumably require the officer to have probable cause that the car is not self-driving.)
- Hasnep 3y ago
  > you can't have bright red lights that turn on-and-off when you're not braking because that light behavior is legal but reserved for the braking mode. Except in the US where indicator lights (turn signals) can be red.
ProfessorLayton 3y ago
Making it illegal is easy, but that's not necessarily true for enforcing said regulation. Unless we expect law enforcement to memorize which make and model should have blue lights, increasing year by year. That, or a much more technologically invasive solution like letting cops see into car's driving mode remotely which is a whole other can of worms.
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- dist-epoch 3y ago
  Speed cameras will easily enforce this. Just like today they automatically bill you for entering in special zones or give you a speed ticket.
  - nox100 3y ago
    Except people will argue your privacy rights are violated by having cameras .. at least in SF .. they'll also argue it's racist by showing stats that poor people pay more of a percent of their income and so it's harder on them and there are more poor people of color than not. They're supposed to add a few speeding cameras next year except .... https://www.sfmta.com/projects/speed-safety-cameras https://www.sfmta.com/projects/speed-safety-cameras See the steps. I suspect it will never actually make it to the final step before some group successfully prevents them from being put up

jessriedel 3y ago

I'm sure it is illegal as part of the new regulation. The color is legally reserved for a particular car mode. Likewise, you can't have bright red lights that turn on-and-off when you're not braking because that light behavior is legal but reserved for the braking mode.) (It's true that this will be more difficult to enforce than prohibitions against using darker blue, since a regular passenger car using them is clearly a violation, whereas pulling someone over for the light blue will presumably require the officer to have probable cause that the car is not self-driving.)

Hasnep 3y ago
> you can't have bright red lights that turn on-and-off when you're not braking because that light behavior is legal but reserved for the braking mode. Except in the US where indicator lights (turn signals) can be red.

ProfessorLayton 3y ago

Making it illegal is easy, but that's not necessarily true for enforcing said regulation. Unless we expect law enforcement to memorize which make and model should have blue lights, increasing year by year. That, or a much more technologically invasive solution like letting cops see into car's driving mode remotely which is a whole other can of worms.

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dist-epoch 3y ago
Speed cameras will easily enforce this. Just like today they automatically bill you for entering in special zones or give you a speed ticket.
- nox100 3y ago
  Except people will argue your privacy rights are violated by having cameras .. at least in SF .. they'll also argue it's racist by showing stats that poor people pay more of a percent of their income and so it's harder on them and there are more poor people of color than not. They're supposed to add a few speeding cameras next year except .... https://www.sfmta.com/projects/speed-safety-cameras https://www.sfmta.com/projects/speed-safety-cameras See the steps. I suspect it will never actually make it to the final step before some group successfully prevents them from being put up