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Due to AI, "We are about to enter the era of mass spying," says Bruce Schneier

33 points by stalfosknight 3y ago

bena 3y ago
https://slate.com/technology/2023/12/ai-mass-spying-internet-surveillance.html https://slate.com/technology/2023/12/ai-mass-spying-internet... The original article referenced by this article
gnabgib 3y ago
The original article "AI and Mass Spying"[0], and source of this recap was heavily discussed[1] (400 points, 14 days ago, 328 comments) at the time. [0]: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/12/the-internet-enabled-mass-surveillance-ai-will-enable-mass-spying.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/12/the-internet-... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530880 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530880
smfjaw 3y ago
Haven't we been in that era since the Patriot Act and Five Eyes?
- rany_ 3y ago
  Right now a lot of the data collection is done in the hopes that it becomes useful, AI makes it possible to draw conclusions on ALL the data they're collecting on everyone at all times.
  - smfjaw 3y ago
    I was being a bit naive/non-descript in my first comment but I'm a pretty firm believer they already had some secret sauce that could do the same job of summarising the information they collect into a human useable level
    - quantified 3y ago
      Some sort of something. This now will be levels up from whatever they had.
ganzuul 3y ago
> We could prohibit mass spying. Could we though? It seems the usual suspects will do it anyway. Perhaps we should make spy tools fun and easy for everybody?
- Der_Einzige 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance
Devasta 3y ago
If anything I think the opposite, the internet is going to be so flooded by AI pigswill that no one, automated or not, is going to be able to deal with it. The governments of the world might be able to listen to your phone conversations, but I doubt anyone can listen to whispers in a tornado.
- quantified 3y ago
  It's not about web pages publishing garbage. It's your comments to HN, your emails to your cousins and book club mates, your reviews on Amazon, etc. Unless you send your friends AI pig swill mostly in your FB messenger chats?
lifeisstillgood 3y ago
My take from that previous discussion is that we will have the equivalent of a full time FBI agent following us through our (digital) lives. the issue is that a Stasi agent, a stickler for the rules FBI agent or a cross between Gandalf and the best teacher you ever had. In other words of course it's the political framework we set up that will incentivise and guide how we use AI
- quantified 3y ago
  "We"? How often have "we" been meaningfully involved? Consider Obama's warrantless surveillance expansion and the Snowden exposures.
CatWChainsaw 3y ago
You know how when people visit North Korea all their interactions with the citizens involve a minder or five hovering nearby? That's about to be all of us. Good job team.

33 points by stalfosknight 3y ago

bena 3y ago

https://slate.com/technology/2023/12/ai-mass-spying-internet-surveillance.html https://slate.com/technology/2023/12/ai-mass-spying-internet... The original article referenced by this article

gnabgib 3y ago

The original article "AI and Mass Spying"[0], and source of this recap was heavily discussed[1] (400 points, 14 days ago, 328 comments) at the time. [0]: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/12/the-internet-enabled-mass-surveillance-ai-will-enable-mass-spying.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/12/the-internet-... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530880 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530880

smfjaw 3y ago

Haven't we been in that era since the Patriot Act and Five Eyes?

rany_ 3y ago
Right now a lot of the data collection is done in the hopes that it becomes useful, AI makes it possible to draw conclusions on ALL the data they're collecting on everyone at all times.
- smfjaw 3y ago
  I was being a bit naive/non-descript in my first comment but I'm a pretty firm believer they already had some secret sauce that could do the same job of summarising the information they collect into a human useable level
  - quantified 3y ago
    Some sort of something. This now will be levels up from whatever they had.

ganzuul 3y ago

> We could prohibit mass spying. Could we though? It seems the usual suspects will do it anyway. Perhaps we should make spy tools fun and easy for everybody?

Der_Einzige 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance

Devasta 3y ago

If anything I think the opposite, the internet is going to be so flooded by AI pigswill that no one, automated or not, is going to be able to deal with it. The governments of the world might be able to listen to your phone conversations, but I doubt anyone can listen to whispers in a tornado.

quantified 3y ago
It's not about web pages publishing garbage. It's your comments to HN, your emails to your cousins and book club mates, your reviews on Amazon, etc. Unless you send your friends AI pig swill mostly in your FB messenger chats?

lifeisstillgood 3y ago

My take from that previous discussion is that we will have the equivalent of a full time FBI agent following us through our (digital) lives. the issue is that a Stasi agent, a stickler for the rules FBI agent or a cross between Gandalf and the best teacher you ever had. In other words of course it's the political framework we set up that will incentivise and guide how we use AI

quantified 3y ago
"We"? How often have "we" been meaningfully involved? Consider Obama's warrantless surveillance expansion and the Snowden exposures.

CatWChainsaw 3y ago

You know how when people visit North Korea all their interactions with the citizens involve a minder or five hovering nearby? That's about to be all of us. Good job team.