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Oh how the might have fallen. For many years they were the one company that understood developer trust and kept that faith. I’ve seen developers argue for liter

Oh how the might have fallen. For many years they were the one company that understood developer trust and kept that faith. I’ve seen developers argue for literally months in big companies to get this tooling to be the default and get paid for. I don’t know who needs to be fired over there, but whoever made this decision needs to be and the company needs to make a public apology and public commitment to remove nag from future products. This is very brand damaging.

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RunSet 3y ago
JetBrains's EULA has long been a blank check in terms of sharing information with third parties. Glad to see some light falling in that vicinity.
- insanitybit 3y ago
  The "light" in this case being a UI bug that everyone on HN has completely misunderstood because the average HN user can't read?
  - RunSet 3y ago
    > the average HN user can't read? Let's put it to the test. https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/privacy/third-parties/ https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/privacy/third-parties/
    - 5d59232e-b392 3y ago
      Ok they host some services on AWS and GCP, use Zendesk for support tickets, you can log in to JB using a GitHub account, and they use Google Analytics and a 3rd party payment system for billing. What exactly is the problem?
      - RunSet 3y ago
        > What exactly is the problem? Don't expect me to provide an exhaustive list of problems. In support of my "blank check" statement above, CTRL+F, "not limited to".
ta1243 3y ago
They're leaving money on the table by not further monetising their users. Modern capitalism is not about making a product and selling it for a fair price. It's about extracting every last cent by selling your users to other people. Double Dipping is the motto. The only problem with this is they aren't inserting adverts into you IDE, or indeed why not put adverts in the code you write.

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RunSet 3y ago

JetBrains's EULA has long been a blank check in terms of sharing information with third parties. Glad to see some light falling in that vicinity.

insanitybit 3y ago
The "light" in this case being a UI bug that everyone on HN has completely misunderstood because the average HN user can't read?
- RunSet 3y ago
  > the average HN user can't read? Let's put it to the test. https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/privacy/third-parties/ https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/privacy/third-parties/
  - 5d59232e-b392 3y ago
    Ok they host some services on AWS and GCP, use Zendesk for support tickets, you can log in to JB using a GitHub account, and they use Google Analytics and a 3rd party payment system for billing. What exactly is the problem?
    - RunSet 3y ago
      > What exactly is the problem? Don't expect me to provide an exhaustive list of problems. In support of my "blank check" statement above, CTRL+F, "not limited to".

ta1243 3y ago

They're leaving money on the table by not further monetising their users. Modern capitalism is not about making a product and selling it for a fair price. It's about extracting every last cent by selling your users to other people. Double Dipping is the motto. The only problem with this is they aren't inserting adverts into you IDE, or indeed why not put adverts in the code you write.