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Many plugins can't be completely removed but you can disabled them, was wrong with that? I disabled this one and it hasn't nag me.

ilc 3y ago
The thing about trust is... Once broken it is hard to recover. Here we have 2xshitty behaviors, we can see around this product. Who is to say there isn't more we can't see. Removing it seems 100% reasonable, if only for security purposes.
- insanitybit 3y ago
  A disabled plugin has virtually no security implications.
  - j16sdiz 3y ago
    How about first open after upgrade? If you upgrade from a older version, it open your previous project with the plugin enabled without asking.
    - insanitybit 3y ago
      Yeah I don't see the problem with that at all. Intellij packages plugins. Plugins run. The only issue here is that it's being automatically enabled after it is disabled, which I assume is just a simple bug and not at all the big deal this is being made out to be.
      - ilc 3y ago
        Alas, it blocks my upgrade totally. I'm glad your firm lets you send code anywhere. Mine does not.
        insanitybit 3y ago
        I don't think that the plugin being enabled sends data anywhere.
      - vbezhenar 3y ago
        My understanding is that people expect their projects being sent to Jetbrains or whatever servers for analysis and that's not allowed in many environments. I've heard of some workplaces where it's outright forbidden to update idea to this version until further notice.
        insanitybit 3y ago
        From what I'm seeing this plugin will not send any data to Jetbrains if you don't activate the backend features, but please let me know if that's incorrect. Again, this is really more of a conversation for a support forum and not hn... edit: I just updated and the plugin definitely does not just start sending data, you have to explicitly click 'start trial'.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    But considering you cant uninstall it, how do you know disable does anything?
    - insanitybit 3y ago
      What? Is your question "how can you trust jetbrains?" or something? I don't understand. Disable disables a plugin. If you're saying "but only if you trust jetbrains" yes, you are running their code on your computer... If your model is "I don't trust this software" the plugin is irrelevant.
      - nottorp 3y ago
        > Disable disables a plugin. And uninstall uninstalls it. Except in this case when the plugin automatically reinstalls, according to TFA. And we're talking about something that sends your code to their servers. Malice, incompetence... still not good.
        insanitybit 3y ago
        > And we're talking about something that sends your code to their servers. For the millionth time - not if you do not activate the plugin.
        5d59232e-b392 3y ago
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        nottorp 3y ago
        > For the millionth time - not if you do not activate the plugin. For the millionth time - uninstall was supposed to uninstall too :)
- newlisp 3y ago
  By this logic you might as well just removed the whole IDE.
  - ilc 3y ago
    I am considering it. Seriously. The policies of my company are clear on the issue. I can't use a tool I previously used safely... yep. I'll be changing IDEs. I may go back to neovim, emacs, or whatever.
j16sdiz 3y ago
According to the issue, this plugin still nag user after disable
- newlisp 3y ago
  Nags about updates which you can ignore, just like every other plugin.
  - Shawnecy 3y ago
    Expecting users to dodge updates that activate plugins which invalidate work contracts is a pretty short sighted method for developing an IDE.
drpossum 3y ago
AI plugins that analyze and ship your code off need to be able to set more important boundaries by their very nature for many environments, to say nothing of normal privacy expectations.
- insanitybit 3y ago
  That isn't what's happening here. The plugin being enabled doesn't do anything except prompt you to activate it. Nothing is shipped off, no 'ai' even runs until you hit 'activate'.
Shawnecy 3y ago
https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-341408/Disabling-plugin-and-then-uninstalling-plugin-update-enables-it-back-after-IDE-restart https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-341408/Disabling-p...

ilc 3y ago

The thing about trust is... Once broken it is hard to recover. Here we have 2xshitty behaviors, we can see around this product. Who is to say there isn't more we can't see. Removing it seems 100% reasonable, if only for security purposes.

insanitybit 3y ago
A disabled plugin has virtually no security implications.
- j16sdiz 3y ago
  How about first open after upgrade? If you upgrade from a older version, it open your previous project with the plugin enabled without asking.
  - insanitybit 3y ago
    Yeah I don't see the problem with that at all. Intellij packages plugins. Plugins run. The only issue here is that it's being automatically enabled after it is disabled, which I assume is just a simple bug and not at all the big deal this is being made out to be.
    - ilc 3y ago
      Alas, it blocks my upgrade totally. I'm glad your firm lets you send code anywhere. Mine does not.
      - insanitybit 3y ago
        I don't think that the plugin being enabled sends data anywhere.
    - vbezhenar 3y ago
      My understanding is that people expect their projects being sent to Jetbrains or whatever servers for analysis and that's not allowed in many environments. I've heard of some workplaces where it's outright forbidden to update idea to this version until further notice.
      - insanitybit 3y ago
        From what I'm seeing this plugin will not send any data to Jetbrains if you don't activate the backend features, but please let me know if that's incorrect. Again, this is really more of a conversation for a support forum and not hn... edit: I just updated and the plugin definitely does not just start sending data, you have to explicitly click 'start trial'.
- nottorp 3y ago
  But considering you cant uninstall it, how do you know disable does anything?
  - insanitybit 3y ago
    What? Is your question "how can you trust jetbrains?" or something? I don't understand. Disable disables a plugin. If you're saying "but only if you trust jetbrains" yes, you are running their code on your computer... If your model is "I don't trust this software" the plugin is irrelevant.
    - nottorp 3y ago
      > Disable disables a plugin. And uninstall uninstalls it. Except in this case when the plugin automatically reinstalls, according to TFA. And we're talking about something that sends your code to their servers. Malice, incompetence... still not good.
      - insanitybit 3y ago
        > And we're talking about something that sends your code to their servers. For the millionth time - not if you do not activate the plugin.
        5d59232e-b392 3y ago
        [flagged]
        nottorp 3y ago
        > For the millionth time - not if you do not activate the plugin. For the millionth time - uninstall was supposed to uninstall too :)
newlisp 3y ago
By this logic you might as well just removed the whole IDE.
- ilc 3y ago
  I am considering it. Seriously. The policies of my company are clear on the issue. I can't use a tool I previously used safely... yep. I'll be changing IDEs. I may go back to neovim, emacs, or whatever.

j16sdiz 3y ago

According to the issue, this plugin still nag user after disable

newlisp 3y ago
Nags about updates which you can ignore, just like every other plugin.
- Shawnecy 3y ago
  Expecting users to dodge updates that activate plugins which invalidate work contracts is a pretty short sighted method for developing an IDE.

drpossum 3y ago

AI plugins that analyze and ship your code off need to be able to set more important boundaries by their very nature for many environments, to say nothing of normal privacy expectations.

insanitybit 3y ago
That isn't what's happening here. The plugin being enabled doesn't do anything except prompt you to activate it. Nothing is shipped off, no 'ai' even runs until you hit 'activate'.

Shawnecy 3y ago

https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-341408/Disabling-plugin-and-then-uninstalling-plugin-update-enables-it-back-after-IDE-restart https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-341408/Disabling-p...