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Why is the sexual orientation of cartoon characters being pushed on kids though? Seems like something to be worried about if you're a parent.

jmye 3y ago
> being pushed on kids though What do you think this means? Is having a picture of me and my wife on my desk "pushing my heterosexual orientation" on my co-workers? I'm really confused by what you think is upsetting in a cartoon with multiple Mom/Dad characters, also including a lesbian couple. Why is it ok to "push" one sexual orientation, but "worrying" to "push" another?
- alienicecream 3y ago
  It's not confusing if you just remove the premise you're trying to assume. One of those displays has been a given in our culture for as far back as recorded history, the other is something new that is being imposed from above with unknown, potentially detrimental effects. So suspicion is warranted.
  - jmye 3y ago
    > One of those displays has been a given in our culture for as far back as recorded history, the other is something new that is being imposed from above with unknown, potentially detrimental effects. This is patently and demonstrably false. Numerous cultures and societies have happily tolerated homosexuality. Again, what is being "pushed" on kids? What are you suspicious of? I don't understand why you don't want to answer a very basic question.
    - alienicecream 3y ago
      I thought I did answer the question. But to be clear, what is being pushed on children is that homosexuality is normal and healthy with the subtext that they should experiment with it. I am suspicious of the claim that it is those things and that the claimants are doing nothing more than promoting tolerance.
      - jmye 3y ago
        > is that homosexuality is normal and healthy It is. > with the subtext that they should experiment with it. This is purely something you've invented, whole cloth, out of nothing. No one is suggesting kids experiment with any sexual behavior in elementary school, and the belief that telling your child that "Jane has two mommies" is encouraging your kid to hook up with their same sex friend is absolutely as patently absurd as the notion that telling your child "Jane has a mommy and a daddy" is encouraging them to hook up with an opposite-sex friend.
        alienicecream 3y ago
        Telling young people that it's normal and healthy is by it's nature an encouragement to experiment with it. The people pushing this do not want to talk about that. Saying that I've invented that is just an attempt to mask it.
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        kube-system 3y ago
        Does telling young people about heterosexual couples encourage heterosexual sex? I've never seen an abstinence curriculum that avoids mentioning the existence of heterosexual couples. The fact of the matter is that homosexuality isn't learned, it is something that people inherently feel.
kube-system 3y ago
The idea that a parent's ideological worries are something that a school should do something about is inherently problematic. Children are always going to have families with ideological differences from their peers. However, this isn't a reason to turn the school itself into the arbiters of those ideological differences. The school didn't come up with the cartoon, others in society did. Children are going to talk about cartoons that they watch. My parents didn't always like the cartoons some of my classmates watched. Their solution was to not let me watch them, and instill their own set of values in me. They didn't ask the school to shelter me from the existence of other's ideologies.
- alienicecream 3y ago
  I would agree with you but it's not that simple. In Toronto there was a "controversy" when the schools allowed parents to exempt their children from drag queen story hour.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    I am not familiar with that situation, but I think my previous statement could apply in any situation. I'm not picking sides here. There are ways to discuss sensitive and ideologically divisive topics in an academic and neutral way. The way religion and politics are covered in social studies courses is often a good example of this. You don't have to pick sides to cover a topic in a neutral manner.
    - alienicecream 3y ago
      Well my point with that example was that in your case your parents wouldn't have had the option to not let you watch the cartoon, the school would have decided for them. It's not just about kids discussing what they've been exposed to at home.

jmye 3y ago

> being pushed on kids though What do you think this means? Is having a picture of me and my wife on my desk "pushing my heterosexual orientation" on my co-workers? I'm really confused by what you think is upsetting in a cartoon with multiple Mom/Dad characters, also including a lesbian couple. Why is it ok to "push" one sexual orientation, but "worrying" to "push" another?

alienicecream 3y ago
It's not confusing if you just remove the premise you're trying to assume. One of those displays has been a given in our culture for as far back as recorded history, the other is something new that is being imposed from above with unknown, potentially detrimental effects. So suspicion is warranted.
- jmye 3y ago
  > One of those displays has been a given in our culture for as far back as recorded history, the other is something new that is being imposed from above with unknown, potentially detrimental effects. This is patently and demonstrably false. Numerous cultures and societies have happily tolerated homosexuality. Again, what is being "pushed" on kids? What are you suspicious of? I don't understand why you don't want to answer a very basic question.
  - alienicecream 3y ago
    I thought I did answer the question. But to be clear, what is being pushed on children is that homosexuality is normal and healthy with the subtext that they should experiment with it. I am suspicious of the claim that it is those things and that the claimants are doing nothing more than promoting tolerance.
    - jmye 3y ago
      > is that homosexuality is normal and healthy It is. > with the subtext that they should experiment with it. This is purely something you've invented, whole cloth, out of nothing. No one is suggesting kids experiment with any sexual behavior in elementary school, and the belief that telling your child that "Jane has two mommies" is encouraging your kid to hook up with their same sex friend is absolutely as patently absurd as the notion that telling your child "Jane has a mommy and a daddy" is encouraging them to hook up with an opposite-sex friend.
      - alienicecream 3y ago
        Telling young people that it's normal and healthy is by it's nature an encouragement to experiment with it. The people pushing this do not want to talk about that. Saying that I've invented that is just an attempt to mask it.
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        kube-system 3y ago
        Does telling young people about heterosexual couples encourage heterosexual sex? I've never seen an abstinence curriculum that avoids mentioning the existence of heterosexual couples. The fact of the matter is that homosexuality isn't learned, it is something that people inherently feel.

kube-system 3y ago

The idea that a parent's ideological worries are something that a school should do something about is inherently problematic. Children are always going to have families with ideological differences from their peers. However, this isn't a reason to turn the school itself into the arbiters of those ideological differences. The school didn't come up with the cartoon, others in society did. Children are going to talk about cartoons that they watch. My parents didn't always like the cartoons some of my classmates watched. Their solution was to not let me watch them, and instill their own set of values in me. They didn't ask the school to shelter me from the existence of other's ideologies.

alienicecream 3y ago
I would agree with you but it's not that simple. In Toronto there was a "controversy" when the schools allowed parents to exempt their children from drag queen story hour.
- kube-system 3y ago
  I am not familiar with that situation, but I think my previous statement could apply in any situation. I'm not picking sides here. There are ways to discuss sensitive and ideologically divisive topics in an academic and neutral way. The way religion and politics are covered in social studies courses is often a good example of this. You don't have to pick sides to cover a topic in a neutral manner.
  - alienicecream 3y ago
    Well my point with that example was that in your case your parents wouldn't have had the option to not let you watch the cartoon, the school would have decided for them. It's not just about kids discussing what they've been exposed to at home.