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As a liberal in Wyoming, there are a few things that are missed here. 1) Outside of years with close ratios in the legislative bodies, no one cares about those

As a liberal in Wyoming, there are a few things that are missed here. 1) Outside of years with close ratios in the legislative bodies, no one cares about those two votes because they are tiny percentage with large geographic distances. Small groups only really have power when it comes down to tiebreakers. 2) in my lifetime the Democratic party abandoned the state, providing little support and due to closed primaries with no national support we have to register as Republicans to have any ability to help prevent a total fringe right wing local and state government that provides a negative feedback loop with this issue. 3) The US is a federation of independent states and the rural states were mostly developed due to slavery state fights. 4) I am quite sure that gerrymandering has a far larger impact on disenfranchisement and could possibly be addressed with less risk of civil war vs trying to upend the myths of our countries foundation than suggesting we should violate what in mythology is supposed to be a federation of independent states. 5) Rural and urban poor have more in common than differences, if either of the major parties realized this and took on a long term effort to demonstrate this they could start to tear down the barriers that were intentionally put in place to divide these groups going back all the way to Bacon's rebellion. Neither party has any interest in this because it would be a long term effort.

dctoedt 3y ago
> The US is a federation of independent states That changed with Appomattox and the subsequent enactment of the 14th Amendment.
- nyrikki 3y ago
  You have been misinformed by people with a tenancy to change history to fit their political whims, but there was never a right of secession under the constitution and New York had to remove the one that they wanted to add. "Compacts must be reciprocal, this principle would not in such a case be preserved. The Constitution requires an adoption in toto, and for ever." https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-05-02-0012-0086 https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-05-02-00... Madison also called this out. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch3s14.html http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch3s14.h... In typical modern language; A _Federation_ is a union of _partially_ self-governing provinces, it is not a _conFederation_ or a union of sovereign states. But even our original government before the constitution was titled "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union" Those who push the Pseudo-historical Lost Cause ideology and deny slavery was the principal cause of the secession, often use the 'states rights' dog whistle, but there never was a right for secession for anything like a perceived risk to chattel slavery. Sure there are lots of arguments of where one could argue where the boundaries in powers should exist, but the fact that secession is not mentioned in the constitution or in the various state charters simply disproves the common claims by the Lost Cause ideologists.
  - dctoedt 3y ago
    Trust me, I'm definitely not one of the Lost Cause ideologues.

dctoedt 3y ago

> The US is a federation of independent states That changed with Appomattox and the subsequent enactment of the 14th Amendment.

nyrikki 3y ago
You have been misinformed by people with a tenancy to change history to fit their political whims, but there was never a right of secession under the constitution and New York had to remove the one that they wanted to add. "Compacts must be reciprocal, this principle would not in such a case be preserved. The Constitution requires an adoption in toto, and for ever." https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-05-02-0012-0086 https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-05-02-00... Madison also called this out. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch3s14.html http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch3s14.h... In typical modern language; A _Federation_ is a union of _partially_ self-governing provinces, it is not a _conFederation_ or a union of sovereign states. But even our original government before the constitution was titled "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union" Those who push the Pseudo-historical Lost Cause ideology and deny slavery was the principal cause of the secession, often use the 'states rights' dog whistle, but there never was a right for secession for anything like a perceived risk to chattel slavery. Sure there are lots of arguments of where one could argue where the boundaries in powers should exist, but the fact that secession is not mentioned in the constitution or in the various state charters simply disproves the common claims by the Lost Cause ideologists.
- dctoedt 3y ago
  Trust me, I'm definitely not one of the Lost Cause ideologues.