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The regulators were indeed negligent. They either should've said no touchscreen controls period. Or said that the touchscreen needs to be disabled when the car

The regulators were indeed negligent. They either should've said no touchscreen controls period. Or said that the touchscreen needs to be disabled when the car is moving - with no override. I would've preferred the former. I think there's no place for a touchscreen in an automobile.

bluGill 3y ago
The touch screen should be positioned such that the navigator can use it. If there is no navigator then the driver should have to pull over and stop to get at the screen. This also means all the controls currently on a touchscreen that the driver does need are moved to something physical. I often and traveling with my wife, and get annoyed that I cannot some options because we are in motion - my wife is driving so there is nothing unsafe about me using the touchscreen. (when I drive I try to avoid looking at the infotainment - there is nothing on it that I need but it is still a distracting hazard)
- sschueller 3y ago
  "Older" cars had screens that only the passenger could see while driving and the driver would see a blank screen.
planb 3y ago
I feel quite confident skipping a few songs on CarPlay. If I needed to do this on my phone, it would be way more dangerous. Now of course not interacting with the media player at all would be safest, but we’re talking about humans here, so banning touch screens ins cars might do more harm than good.
- intrasight 3y ago
  There are audio button on your steering wheel, yes? Please don't tell me those have been removed.
OmarShehata 3y ago
This seems like an extreme position that at best wastes everybody's time and doesn't improve anything (and is a good example of why being careful with regulation like this is very important). Consider settings like: how long it takes for the car to shut off the lights automatically after you turn it off and lock it. Or other obscure things. You're not going to have physical buttons for that. You'd have a digital screen with next/previous/ok buttons. That isn't any better than using a touch screen to access those settings. Arguably worse UX. Another posted suggested allow touch screens but have them not operate while car is in motion, with no override, and I think that's a much more targeted/palatable proposal with (maybe?) less unexpected consequences.
- intrasight 3y ago
  > seems like an extreme position I assume you mean "no touchscreen controls" is extreme. I probably wasn't clear. By "controls" I meant those for "live" controls (environment, audio, etc). Touchscreen for settings totally make sense - as you said, it doesn't make sense to have physical inputs for settings like lights off delay. >have them not operate while car is in motion I'm okay with that too
natch 3y ago
Yeah maps are useless. /s Also who needs a nice big screen to watch Netflix while we are parked waiting to pick up our kid? We can watch on my phone, my wife doesn’t mind contorting herself to see.

bluGill 3y ago

The touch screen should be positioned such that the navigator can use it. If there is no navigator then the driver should have to pull over and stop to get at the screen. This also means all the controls currently on a touchscreen that the driver does need are moved to something physical. I often and traveling with my wife, and get annoyed that I cannot some options because we are in motion - my wife is driving so there is nothing unsafe about me using the touchscreen. (when I drive I try to avoid looking at the infotainment - there is nothing on it that I need but it is still a distracting hazard)

sschueller 3y ago
"Older" cars had screens that only the passenger could see while driving and the driver would see a blank screen.

planb 3y ago

I feel quite confident skipping a few songs on CarPlay. If I needed to do this on my phone, it would be way more dangerous. Now of course not interacting with the media player at all would be safest, but we’re talking about humans here, so banning touch screens ins cars might do more harm than good.

intrasight 3y ago
There are audio button on your steering wheel, yes? Please don't tell me those have been removed.

OmarShehata 3y ago

This seems like an extreme position that at best wastes everybody's time and doesn't improve anything (and is a good example of why being careful with regulation like this is very important). Consider settings like: how long it takes for the car to shut off the lights automatically after you turn it off and lock it. Or other obscure things. You're not going to have physical buttons for that. You'd have a digital screen with next/previous/ok buttons. That isn't any better than using a touch screen to access those settings. Arguably worse UX. Another posted suggested allow touch screens but have them not operate while car is in motion, with no override, and I think that's a much more targeted/palatable proposal with (maybe?) less unexpected consequences.

intrasight 3y ago
> seems like an extreme position I assume you mean "no touchscreen controls" is extreme. I probably wasn't clear. By "controls" I meant those for "live" controls (environment, audio, etc). Touchscreen for settings totally make sense - as you said, it doesn't make sense to have physical inputs for settings like lights off delay. >have them not operate while car is in motion I'm okay with that too

natch 3y ago

Yeah maps are useless. /s Also who needs a nice big screen to watch Netflix while we are parked waiting to pick up our kid? We can watch on my phone, my wife doesn’t mind contorting herself to see.