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Have you ever driven a Tesla? I drove one last year and literally all you get is a touch screen. IIRC you even use the touch screen to change gears. It's insane

Have you ever driven a Tesla? I drove one last year and literally all you get is a touch screen. IIRC you even use the touch screen to change gears. It's insane. I did get used to it, but overall I absolutely loathe touch screens in vehicles. If I can't modify something without averting my eyes from the road, then I consider it a massive safety hazard. I'll never understand how regulators approved these things.

2devnull 3y ago
No. I don’t have a lot of money, and am skeptical they or other shiny new tech toys can save the planet via consumerism. I’m pro-Tesla on net. Everyone in the upper middle class were buying Lexus’ and Suburbans before Tesla came along, so I imagine many thousands of tons less pollution than the counter-factual. But probably buying a brand new Tesla isn’t cooling the atmosphere appreciably. In any case, I’m not that counter-factual. To the extent I like cars, and I kind of do, I like those with character and manual gears. I try to limit my driving, but when I have to drive, I enjoy the full experience.
natch 3y ago
>literally all you get is a touch screen There were no buttons on the steering wheel? Which model? >you even use the touch screen to change gears. Wow, really wondering now which Tesla model did you drive, where you had to change gears?
- danielvaughn 3y ago
  I can't remember which model, by "gears" I mean reverse, neutral, drive, etc.
  - natch 3y ago
    Since you were using strong words like "loathing" I guess you'll be relieved to hear that Teslas have physical stalks for that. In the case of the newer Plaid S and X they automatically shift into reverse for you when needed, without any need to use the touch screen at all. I'm not sure when you would use neutral but I suppose in a service situation, something pretty unusual and again on the vast majority of Teslas, whether you count by the number of models or the number of individual shipped cars, that's also done with a physical stalk so the touch screen is really a non-issue here. Yes, shifting into neutral is done with the physical stalk. As is reverse and drive. But perception matters. I think Tesla should do a better job educating the public about their cars, because people form all sorts of opinions and then it's hard to even have a conversation because the baseline knowledge about what is going on has to be totally reset. Even people who drive a Tesla once come away mistakenly thinking it has no buttons (!!), which is so far from the truth it's hard to fathom what phenomenon we are witnessing here.
    - danielvaughn 3y ago
      Even if it has some physical buttons, just take a look at the interior of a Tesla. It doesn't have nearly enough. I drove it for about 6 hours (it was a rental). And I distinctly remember being aggravated by the lack of physical controls. If they want to change their perception, maybe have more than just a touch screen in the middle of their dashboard.
      - natch 3y ago
        They don’t care about their perception. People either get it, or don’t. It’s ok! My advice would be just don’t get one.

2devnull 3y ago

No. I don’t have a lot of money, and am skeptical they or other shiny new tech toys can save the planet via consumerism. I’m pro-Tesla on net. Everyone in the upper middle class were buying Lexus’ and Suburbans before Tesla came along, so I imagine many thousands of tons less pollution than the counter-factual. But probably buying a brand new Tesla isn’t cooling the atmosphere appreciably. In any case, I’m not that counter-factual. To the extent I like cars, and I kind of do, I like those with character and manual gears. I try to limit my driving, but when I have to drive, I enjoy the full experience.

natch 3y ago

>literally all you get is a touch screen There were no buttons on the steering wheel? Which model? >you even use the touch screen to change gears. Wow, really wondering now which Tesla model did you drive, where you had to change gears?

danielvaughn 3y ago
I can't remember which model, by "gears" I mean reverse, neutral, drive, etc.
- natch 3y ago
  Since you were using strong words like "loathing" I guess you'll be relieved to hear that Teslas have physical stalks for that. In the case of the newer Plaid S and X they automatically shift into reverse for you when needed, without any need to use the touch screen at all. I'm not sure when you would use neutral but I suppose in a service situation, something pretty unusual and again on the vast majority of Teslas, whether you count by the number of models or the number of individual shipped cars, that's also done with a physical stalk so the touch screen is really a non-issue here. Yes, shifting into neutral is done with the physical stalk. As is reverse and drive. But perception matters. I think Tesla should do a better job educating the public about their cars, because people form all sorts of opinions and then it's hard to even have a conversation because the baseline knowledge about what is going on has to be totally reset. Even people who drive a Tesla once come away mistakenly thinking it has no buttons (!!), which is so far from the truth it's hard to fathom what phenomenon we are witnessing here.
  - danielvaughn 3y ago
    Even if it has some physical buttons, just take a look at the interior of a Tesla. It doesn't have nearly enough. I drove it for about 6 hours (it was a rental). And I distinctly remember being aggravated by the lack of physical controls. If they want to change their perception, maybe have more than just a touch screen in the middle of their dashboard.
    - natch 3y ago
      They don’t care about their perception. People either get it, or don’t. It’s ok! My advice would be just don’t get one.