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>> The BLM rioting was mostly spontaneous and rag-tag Sure they were. I wonder why they are otherwise organized and have leadership and full approval of the pa

by nec4b 3y ago

>> The BLM rioting was mostly spontaneous and rag-tag Sure they were. I wonder why they are otherwise organized and have leadership and full approval of the party which is currently in power? >> The societal risks to democratic governance differed enormously. Unlike the BLM rioting Unlike BLM rioting or bombing of the capitol by the far left terrorist they didn't do any property damage or attack other people on the street.

dctoedt 3y ago
> I wonder why they [BLM rioters] are otherwise organized and have leadership and full approval of the party which is currently in power? I don't think you can support that contention with, y'know, evidence. Keep in mind that some — not all — of the so-called BLM arson incidents were later found to have been done as false-flag operations by far-right extremist types [0] or as plain old insurance fraud. [1] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo... [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-trump-supporter-pleads-guilty-fire-blamed-left-wing-vandals-rcna51799 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-trump-support...
- nec4b 3y ago
  What do you mean without evidence? You are contesting BLM has leadership? They have a website, you can check it out. Regarding the democratic party support, there are a lot of videos from cnn and other networks interviews where visible member give their support to BLM.
  - dctoedt 3y ago
    You're painting with a broad brush: "BLM" ≠ "rioting." EDIT: From a 2020 Trump Administration report: "President Donald Trump has blamed leftwing extremist groups for instigating nights of looting and violence in cities across the United States, but an intelligence assessment offers limited evidence that organized extremists are behind the turmoil. [¶] In part of a June 1 internal intelligence assessment of the protests seen by Reuters, U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials said most of the violence appears to have been driven by opportunists." [0] [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23A1MZ/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23A1MZ/
    - nec4b 3y ago
      >> You're painting with a broad brush: "BLM" ≠ "rioting." And you don't see yourself doing the same to the "other" side? >> but an intelligence assessment offers limited evidence that organized extremists are behind the turmoil "limited evidence" If you have ever read a book about communist revolutions or by chance even lived in a a country which had a violent leftist takeover of power, you would have recognized the tactics and methods of those takeovers in BLM protests.
      - dctoedt 3y ago
        At least one of us is delusional, and/or paranoid.
      - dctoedt 3y ago
        > And you don't see yourself doing the same [i.e., painting with a broad brush] to the "other" side? No — I'm making specific accusations about Donald Trump and some of his followers in and out of government.
dctoedt 3y ago
> Unlike BLM rioting or bombing of the capitol by the far left terrorist they didn't do any property damage or attack other people on the street. Oh. I guess that makes it OK for the armed right-wing mob to try to seize control of the national government — and to go looking for the sitting VP and Speaker of the House, seemingly with lynching in mind. (Leftist bombing? You mean by the Weather Underground in 1971, at the height of the Vietnam War? That doesn't excuse it by any means, course, but it's so old as to be irrelevant to today's discussion.) https://www.history.com/news/us-capitol-building-violence-fires https://www.history.com/news/us-capitol-building-violence-fi...
- nec4b 3y ago
  You are the one claiming leftist violence is just a fluke, just kids having fun with robbing, beating and arson. At the same time claiming a much smaller right-wing transgression is the end of the world. The are an examples of right-wing terrorist actions that are much much more despicable and truly destructable. Unlike you I have no problem condemning either side when they are wrong. >> That doesn't excuse it by any means, course, but it's so old as to be irrelevant to today's discussion. You must be kidding. Should we also not talk about people and ideology that brought us world war 2, since it has been even longer then the Vietnam war?
  - dctoedt 3y ago
    We'll have to agree to disagree about that, because obviously each of us thinks the other has his (her?) head firmly jammed up a warm dark place.

by nec4b 3y ago

dctoedt 3y ago

> I wonder why they [BLM rioters] are otherwise organized and have leadership and full approval of the party which is currently in power? I don't think you can support that contention with, y'know, evidence. Keep in mind that some — not all — of the so-called BLM arson incidents were later found to have been done as false-flag operations by far-right extremist types [0] or as plain old insurance fraud. [1] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo... [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-trump-supporter-pleads-guilty-fire-blamed-left-wing-vandals-rcna51799 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-trump-support...

nec4b 3y ago
What do you mean without evidence? You are contesting BLM has leadership? They have a website, you can check it out. Regarding the democratic party support, there are a lot of videos from cnn and other networks interviews where visible member give their support to BLM.
- dctoedt 3y ago
  You're painting with a broad brush: "BLM" ≠ "rioting." EDIT: From a 2020 Trump Administration report: "President Donald Trump has blamed leftwing extremist groups for instigating nights of looting and violence in cities across the United States, but an intelligence assessment offers limited evidence that organized extremists are behind the turmoil. [¶] In part of a June 1 internal intelligence assessment of the protests seen by Reuters, U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials said most of the violence appears to have been driven by opportunists." [0] [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23A1MZ/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23A1MZ/
  - nec4b 3y ago
    >> You're painting with a broad brush: "BLM" ≠ "rioting." And you don't see yourself doing the same to the "other" side? >> but an intelligence assessment offers limited evidence that organized extremists are behind the turmoil "limited evidence" If you have ever read a book about communist revolutions or by chance even lived in a a country which had a violent leftist takeover of power, you would have recognized the tactics and methods of those takeovers in BLM protests.
    - dctoedt 3y ago
      At least one of us is delusional, and/or paranoid.
    - dctoedt 3y ago
      > And you don't see yourself doing the same [i.e., painting with a broad brush] to the "other" side? No — I'm making specific accusations about Donald Trump and some of his followers in and out of government.

dctoedt 3y ago

> Unlike BLM rioting or bombing of the capitol by the far left terrorist they didn't do any property damage or attack other people on the street. Oh. I guess that makes it OK for the armed right-wing mob to try to seize control of the national government — and to go looking for the sitting VP and Speaker of the House, seemingly with lynching in mind. (Leftist bombing? You mean by the Weather Underground in 1971, at the height of the Vietnam War? That doesn't excuse it by any means, course, but it's so old as to be irrelevant to today's discussion.) https://www.history.com/news/us-capitol-building-violence-fires https://www.history.com/news/us-capitol-building-violence-fi...

nec4b 3y ago
You are the one claiming leftist violence is just a fluke, just kids having fun with robbing, beating and arson. At the same time claiming a much smaller right-wing transgression is the end of the world. The are an examples of right-wing terrorist actions that are much much more despicable and truly destructable. Unlike you I have no problem condemning either side when they are wrong. >> That doesn't excuse it by any means, course, but it's so old as to be irrelevant to today's discussion. You must be kidding. Should we also not talk about people and ideology that brought us world war 2, since it has been even longer then the Vietnam war?
- dctoedt 3y ago
  We'll have to agree to disagree about that, because obviously each of us thinks the other has his (her?) head firmly jammed up a warm dark place.