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Why the negative sentiment against this? It doesn't cost people anything to star a project. Whether it is a PR or not, the maintainer still had to review and m

by _8j50 3y ago

Why the negative sentiment against this? It doesn't cost people anything to star a project. Whether it is a PR or not, the maintainer still had to review and maintain the code and that is time they will spend. The more stars a project gets, the more support it gets. It's not like you pay for stars or it is burdensome to click on the star button.

eviks 3y ago
How do toy magically get more support if all projects simply demand more stars and get them?
- _8j50 3y ago
  If you like it starting it makes sense, if you don't why open issues and do pr's?
  - eviks 3y ago
    There are trivial responses to your question, but you didn't address the issue I raised
    - _8j50 3y ago
      I thought it was obvious. Not all projects get stars, the ones people use and like the most get more support in form of contribution which could be issues and pr's or other types of support. For people who don't care abour stars it means nothing, for those who do it means everything.
      - eviks 3y ago
        It's not obvious since it's false, you've just ignored the core point "if all projects simply demand more stars and get them" that pointed to the flaw in your logic. Also no, people are not binary state machines with either "means nothing" or "means everything" states
        _8j50 3y ago
        It's not a core point, I thought you were reasonable here lol. In no site with upvotes do all users get upvotes so your assumption there is wrong which I already clarified by telling you how projects people like that solve more issues get more stars. Stars have a count. I did not claim human beings are binary state machines. If you refuse to interpret my statements in good faith and in context then you don't want a discussion, you just want to feel right.
8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
Because it artificially bloats the star count so that it no longer represents how many people are interested in the project.... Although if you've filed an issue you kind of are invested already
- _8j50 3y ago
  My point exactly, if you don't think it's worth starring why even use it let along issues and pr's. If GH had levels of stars it might have be been better. Can't projects say they'll only support people who really like the project or are people thinking OSS comes with entitlements for unpaying users.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    > if you don't think it's worth starring why even use it let along issues and pr's. - it's a dependency downstream and it's breaking my actual project. - I'm in evaluation/research phase for multiple repos and am not committed to that specific tool. Actions like this actively make me NOT want to star such behavior, nor even use the tool if I can help it - because I don't fundamentally use stars as a popularity stick and don't care. I'd rather you prompt me to post a bounty or donation instead. Yes, that's how much I hate that system; I will pay money to not be involved in it. >Can't projects say they'll only support people who really like the project or are people thinking OSS comes with entitlements for unpaying users. if you ignore the meta-gaming reasons this tactic exists, sure. I'd rather just pay the project directly instead be a part of a statitic that says "we got X stars on our repo please fund us" VC pitches.
    - _8j50 3y ago
      > it's a dependency downstream and it's breaking my actual project. You depend on it but so much as clicking in a star button is burdensome? Come on! > I'm in evaluation/research phase for multiple repos and am not committed to that specific tool. Actions like this actively make me NOT want to star such behavior, nor even use the tool if I can help it Then the author's don't want you to use their project, so fork it or move on. > because I don't fundamentally use stars as a popularity stick and don't care. I'd rather you prompt me to post a bounty or donation instead. Yes, that's how much I hate that system; I will pay money to not be involved in it. This isn't about you, it's a button the author cares about, so support them with it for their sake, if they want money they will ask for it. > I'd rather just pay the project directly instead be a part of a statitic that says "we got X stars on our repo please fund us" VC pitches. You are not part of any of thay, you are just supporting someone making their hard work free and open source in the way they want to be supported. This boils down to how you wish to support them and how you wish the system worked without a single consideration into their right to not support you for any reason at all. The software is already FOSS, you downvote their post and anything defending them because what? Being free and open isn't enough, you also deserve free labour and in your own terms?
justsomehnguy 3y ago
Because people don't like to drink a verification cans. > It's not like you pay for stars or it is burdensome to click on the star button. Imagine being allowed to comment here only after [starring] something. It's not like you pay for [stars] or it is burdensome to click on the [star] button.
- chupapimunyenyo 3y ago
  This is not a fair comparison. The user can comment, and create an issue on github
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    I feel like this is splitting hairs, but sure. This is more like wanting to favorite a post but you need to upvote it first. Some may not even see the issue. Others will not want to do that because favorite is the only way to mark something as "read for later". You may in fact disagree heavily with the post but want to come back to it for some reason.
- _8j50 3y ago
  Don't you have to get like 500 karma before you can up/down vote on HN? Not far off right?
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    > Can I ask people to upvote my submission? > No. Users should röstning for a story because they personally find it intellectually interesting, not because someone has content to promote. We penalize or ban submissions, accounts, and sites that break this rule, so please don't. 500 karma requirement is for downvoting, an anti-abuse measure, site-wide, not restricted by any other means. You don't need to upvote the submission to be able to vote on the comments on that submission. Upvotes are available from the start. So no, that's far off. This behaviour is a clear as day extortion scheme yet you are aggressively defend it, which begs the question - why? Do you profit from similar schemes?
dr_kiszonka 3y ago
I have a family member who would get upset when others would not like her Facebook posts and would message us about it. (It was one of the reasons why I stopped using FB.) OP's submission reminds of this family member.
- _8j50 3y ago
  Is your family member providing you free services alongside free AND open software?

by _8j50 3y ago

eviks 3y ago

How do toy magically get more support if all projects simply demand more stars and get them?

_8j50 3y ago
If you like it starting it makes sense, if you don't why open issues and do pr's?
- eviks 3y ago
  There are trivial responses to your question, but you didn't address the issue I raised
  - _8j50 3y ago
    I thought it was obvious. Not all projects get stars, the ones people use and like the most get more support in form of contribution which could be issues and pr's or other types of support. For people who don't care abour stars it means nothing, for those who do it means everything.
    - eviks 3y ago
      It's not obvious since it's false, you've just ignored the core point "if all projects simply demand more stars and get them" that pointed to the flaw in your logic. Also no, people are not binary state machines with either "means nothing" or "means everything" states
      - _8j50 3y ago
        It's not a core point, I thought you were reasonable here lol. In no site with upvotes do all users get upvotes so your assumption there is wrong which I already clarified by telling you how projects people like that solve more issues get more stars. Stars have a count. I did not claim human beings are binary state machines. If you refuse to interpret my statements in good faith and in context then you don't want a discussion, you just want to feel right.

8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago

Because it artificially bloats the star count so that it no longer represents how many people are interested in the project.... Although if you've filed an issue you kind of are invested already

_8j50 3y ago
My point exactly, if you don't think it's worth starring why even use it let along issues and pr's. If GH had levels of stars it might have be been better. Can't projects say they'll only support people who really like the project or are people thinking OSS comes with entitlements for unpaying users.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  > if you don't think it's worth starring why even use it let along issues and pr's. - it's a dependency downstream and it's breaking my actual project. - I'm in evaluation/research phase for multiple repos and am not committed to that specific tool. Actions like this actively make me NOT want to star such behavior, nor even use the tool if I can help it - because I don't fundamentally use stars as a popularity stick and don't care. I'd rather you prompt me to post a bounty or donation instead. Yes, that's how much I hate that system; I will pay money to not be involved in it. >Can't projects say they'll only support people who really like the project or are people thinking OSS comes with entitlements for unpaying users. if you ignore the meta-gaming reasons this tactic exists, sure. I'd rather just pay the project directly instead be a part of a statitic that says "we got X stars on our repo please fund us" VC pitches.
  - _8j50 3y ago
    > it's a dependency downstream and it's breaking my actual project. You depend on it but so much as clicking in a star button is burdensome? Come on! > I'm in evaluation/research phase for multiple repos and am not committed to that specific tool. Actions like this actively make me NOT want to star such behavior, nor even use the tool if I can help it Then the author's don't want you to use their project, so fork it or move on. > because I don't fundamentally use stars as a popularity stick and don't care. I'd rather you prompt me to post a bounty or donation instead. Yes, that's how much I hate that system; I will pay money to not be involved in it. This isn't about you, it's a button the author cares about, so support them with it for their sake, if they want money they will ask for it. > I'd rather just pay the project directly instead be a part of a statitic that says "we got X stars on our repo please fund us" VC pitches. You are not part of any of thay, you are just supporting someone making their hard work free and open source in the way they want to be supported. This boils down to how you wish to support them and how you wish the system worked without a single consideration into their right to not support you for any reason at all. The software is already FOSS, you downvote their post and anything defending them because what? Being free and open isn't enough, you also deserve free labour and in your own terms?

justsomehnguy 3y ago

Because people don't like to drink a verification cans. > It's not like you pay for stars or it is burdensome to click on the star button. Imagine being allowed to comment here only after [starring] something. It's not like you pay for [stars] or it is burdensome to click on the [star] button.

chupapimunyenyo 3y ago
This is not a fair comparison. The user can comment, and create an issue on github
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  I feel like this is splitting hairs, but sure. This is more like wanting to favorite a post but you need to upvote it first. Some may not even see the issue. Others will not want to do that because favorite is the only way to mark something as "read for later". You may in fact disagree heavily with the post but want to come back to it for some reason.
_8j50 3y ago
Don't you have to get like 500 karma before you can up/down vote on HN? Not far off right?
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  > Can I ask people to upvote my submission? > No. Users should röstning for a story because they personally find it intellectually interesting, not because someone has content to promote. We penalize or ban submissions, accounts, and sites that break this rule, so please don't. 500 karma requirement is for downvoting, an anti-abuse measure, site-wide, not restricted by any other means. You don't need to upvote the submission to be able to vote on the comments on that submission. Upvotes are available from the start. So no, that's far off. This behaviour is a clear as day extortion scheme yet you are aggressively defend it, which begs the question - why? Do you profit from similar schemes?

dr_kiszonka 3y ago

I have a family member who would get upset when others would not like her Facebook posts and would message us about it. (It was one of the reasons why I stopped using FB.) OP's submission reminds of this family member.

_8j50 3y ago
Is your family member providing you free services alongside free AND open software?