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> Varoufakis says it’s anything but. Jeff (Bezos, the owner of Amazon) doesn’t produce capital, he argues Maybe Varoufakis should try creating an Amazon instea

by nickpp 3y ago

> Varoufakis says it’s anything but. Jeff (Bezos, the owner of Amazon) doesn’t produce capital, he argues Maybe Varoufakis should try creating an Amazon instead of writing some book and running Greece’s economy into the ground. We are serfs for even commenting here, by the way. This site is owned (and created) by the technofeudalists who founded YC, not by Mr Varoufakis. So what brings you here, serf on their property, if you don’t see any value in it? They are certainly not putting a gun to your head just like Amazon is not making you shop there.

EA-3167 3y ago
Simply from a factual perspective, Varoufakis presided over the recovery of the Greek economy, not its destruction. Now you may or may not feel that's something he should get credit for, but it's a fact that he rejected EU austerity plans, and a fact that Greece's economy is improving. Personally I think his track record is impressive, and I'd argue that helping to save an EU-level economy is at least as impressive as what Jeff Bezos has done with his life.
- nickpp 3y ago
  I thought Varoufakis stepped down in 2015 (after only half a year) and Greece's debt crisis continued until around 2018?!
malermeister 3y ago
> Maybe Varoufakis should try creating an Amazon instead of writing some book and running Greece’s economy into the ground. This is not only factually wrong, but also an ad hominem fallacy. > We are serfs for even commenting here, by the way. This site is owned (and created) by the technofeudalists who founded YC, not by Mr Varoufakis. We are. I don't like it any more than medieval serfs did, but I don't think you should get to blame me for it. > So what brings you here, serf on their property, if you don’t see any value in it? They are certainly not putting a gun to your head just like Amazon is not making you shop there. All of you fine fellow serfs have made this a fertile land for discussion, by plowing the fields of comment threads. Direct threat of violence is the most unimaginative way of exerting power and modern day feudalists avoid it in fear of awakening class consciousness after all.
- nickpp 3y ago
  > ad hominem fallacy It's not ad hominem to judge a critic's own track record in order to measure the weight of his words. Otherwise we'd end up listening to any little trust fund ideologues with no actual idea about how the world really works, like Marx.
  - thiagoharry 3y ago
    Whether you like it or not, Marx is one of the most important philosophers from XIX century with important contributions to politics, sociology and economy.
    - nickpp 3y ago
      I never said he wasn't important. So was Hitler, btw. Marx's sick ideology just killed more. But I am glad you consider that an important contribution.
      - thiagoharry 3y ago
        No, Hitler was no relevant philosopher and had no widely recognizable contribution to the mentioned areas. It's a pity that ideology prevents people to discuss or even to understand other people's ideas and contributions.
  - malermeister 3y ago
    We should be listening to Marx in these times.
    - nickpp 3y ago
      Anybody who tried has starved to death or needed a bloody revolution to get rid of their dictator and his nomenklatura.
      - malermeister 3y ago

by nickpp 3y ago

EA-3167 3y ago

Simply from a factual perspective, Varoufakis presided over the recovery of the Greek economy, not its destruction. Now you may or may not feel that's something he should get credit for, but it's a fact that he rejected EU austerity plans, and a fact that Greece's economy is improving. Personally I think his track record is impressive, and I'd argue that helping to save an EU-level economy is at least as impressive as what Jeff Bezos has done with his life.

nickpp 3y ago
I thought Varoufakis stepped down in 2015 (after only half a year) and Greece's debt crisis continued until around 2018?!

malermeister 3y ago

> Maybe Varoufakis should try creating an Amazon instead of writing some book and running Greece’s economy into the ground. This is not only factually wrong, but also an ad hominem fallacy. > We are serfs for even commenting here, by the way. This site is owned (and created) by the technofeudalists who founded YC, not by Mr Varoufakis. We are. I don't like it any more than medieval serfs did, but I don't think you should get to blame me for it. > So what brings you here, serf on their property, if you don’t see any value in it? They are certainly not putting a gun to your head just like Amazon is not making you shop there. All of you fine fellow serfs have made this a fertile land for discussion, by plowing the fields of comment threads. Direct threat of violence is the most unimaginative way of exerting power and modern day feudalists avoid it in fear of awakening class consciousness after all.

nickpp 3y ago
> ad hominem fallacy It's not ad hominem to judge a critic's own track record in order to measure the weight of his words. Otherwise we'd end up listening to any little trust fund ideologues with no actual idea about how the world really works, like Marx.
- thiagoharry 3y ago
  Whether you like it or not, Marx is one of the most important philosophers from XIX century with important contributions to politics, sociology and economy.
  - nickpp 3y ago
    I never said he wasn't important. So was Hitler, btw. Marx's sick ideology just killed more. But I am glad you consider that an important contribution.
    - thiagoharry 3y ago
      No, Hitler was no relevant philosopher and had no widely recognizable contribution to the mentioned areas. It's a pity that ideology prevents people to discuss or even to understand other people's ideas and contributions.
- malermeister 3y ago
  We should be listening to Marx in these times.
  - nickpp 3y ago
    Anybody who tried has starved to death or needed a bloody revolution to get rid of their dictator and his nomenklatura.
    - malermeister 3y ago