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The United States is Responsible for Up To 1M Deaths in Iraq from 2003–2023

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Until George W. Bush will be on trial at The Hague, all we can do is point fingers and talk about it, as the US will not prosecute him not will the US make amends.
- tdeck 3y ago
  The US pulled out of the ICJ after committing crimes in Nicaragua: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States
- ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
  When US goes to war its always ONE person that did it. As if it was a dictatorship. It was George Bush's fault. It was Kissinger's fault. It was trump's fault. But when other countries do it, we have to sanction the entire country and then bomb it to rubble.
amanaplanacanal 3y ago
On top of that, they are still holding people in gitmo with no trial. But they have no problem pointing fingers at others. As an American, I am completely disgusted.
consumer451 3y ago
If you are wondering how we got into this mass-murderous mess, it was thanks to members of the office of the president circumventing the intelligence agencies which are usually seen as evil. In this case, they were the good guys, but it mattered not. There were special plans: > In an interview with the Scottish Sunday Herald, former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer Larry C. Johnson said the Office of Special Plans (OSP) was "dangerous for US national security and a threat to world peace. [The OSP] lied and manipulated intelligence to further its agenda of removing Saddam. It's a group of ideologues with pre-determined notions of truth and reality. They take bits of intelligence to support their agenda and ignore anything contrary. They should be eliminated." > Seymour Hersh writes that, according to an unnamed Pentagon adviser, "[OSP] was created in order to find evidence of what Wolfowitz and his boss, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, wanted to be true—that Saddam Hussein had close ties to Al Qaeda, and that Iraq had an enormous arsenal of chemical, biological, and possibly even nuclear weapons (WMD) that threatened the region and, potentially, the United States. 'The agency [CIA] was out to disprove linkage between Iraq and terrorism,' the Pentagon adviser told me. 'That's what drove them. If you've ever worked with intelligence data, you can see the ingrained views at C.I.A. that color the way it sees data.' The goal of Special Plans, he said, was 'to put the data under the microscope to reveal what the intelligence community can't see.'" > These allegations are supported by an annex to the first part of Senate Intelligence Committee's Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq published in July 2004. The review, which was highly critical of the CIA's Iraq intelligence generally but found its judgments were right on the lack of an Iraq-al Qaeda relationship, suggests that the OSP, if connected to an "Iraqi intelligence cell" also headed by Douglas Feith which is described in the annex, sought to discredit and cast doubt on CIA analysis in an effort to establish a connection between Saddam Hussein and terrorism. In one instance, in response to a cautious CIA report, Iraq and al-Qa'eda: A Murky Relationship, the annex relates that "one of the individuals working for the [intelligence cell led by Feith] stated that the June [2002] report, '...should be read for content only – and CIA's interpretation ought to be ignored.'" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans
- consumer451 3y ago
  To go one step deeper into the most significant policy decision in post-WWII American history, please see the plans laid out in 1997 by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz - the geniuses at The Project for a New American Century. [0] > In open letters to Clinton and GOP congressional leaders the next year, the group called for "the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power" and a shift toward a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam. > And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly, unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor." > That event came on Sept. 11, 2001. By that time, Cheney was vice president, Rumsfeld was secretary of defense, and Wolfowitz his deputy at the Pentagon. [1] This information seems to have left our collective consciousness. Please remember this history and pass it on. We owe this to the thousands of US service members and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were killed due to the decisions made by these specific men. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C... [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=128491 https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=128491
  - sillywalk 3y ago
    Joe Biden, Five Years Before Invasion, Said the Only Way of Disarming Iraq Is “Taking Saddam Down” At a 1998 Senate hearing, Biden argued that “taking this son of a — taking Saddam down" was the only way to guarantee Iraq’s disarmament. " https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-iraq-war-history/ https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-iraq-war-histo...
    - consumer451 3y ago
      Biden and HRC's votes are inexcusable. When Obama first ran for President, having voted no on the invasion was the litmus test. That's one of the reasons he jumped ahead in the running. We all knew it was a giant mistake at that point. Now history is being revised. I have recently heard an active US Admiral on YT say "it's the best intelligence we had at the time." No, it was devoid of actually intel. As criminal as the Russian invasion of Ukraine, minus most of the ethnic cleansing. The USA lost so much global goodwill. It was soooo stupid and unnecessary. Arguably the end of Pax Americana.
ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
As more and more countries progress, the US will lash out with even more vigor to keep it's global supremacy. Unfortunately the provocation and involvement in Ukraine war will be regarded as the death knell for the USD and thereby relevancy of US on the global stage. It was foolish as is, to get into proxy war with Russia. Then came the aggression towards China. And now pissing off the entire middle east with arming Israel. Top it off a cold war with India. There is absolutely no sane scenario where all these ends in favor of the US. Elect a dementia expect a circus.
- consumer451 3y ago
  How do you see Russia's disastrous invasion of Ukraine affecting Moscow's expansionist ambitions? Putin told the Duma that he wanted to rebuild the USSR, is that still going to happen?
  - ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
    >Putin told the Duma that he wanted to rebuild the USSR, is that still going to happen? I suppose Putin also blew up Nord Stream pipelines? And Russia also ran out of missiles? And Russian army is fighting with shovels?
    - consumer451 3y ago
      How does this relate to my question about the 3 day special operation? Will Putin be able to rebuild the USSR?

Until George W. Bush will be on trial at The Hague, all we can do is point fingers and talk about it, as the US will not prosecute him not will the US make amends.

tdeck 3y ago
The US pulled out of the ICJ after committing crimes in Nicaragua: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States
ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
When US goes to war its always ONE person that did it. As if it was a dictatorship. It was George Bush's fault. It was Kissinger's fault. It was trump's fault. But when other countries do it, we have to sanction the entire country and then bomb it to rubble.

amanaplanacanal 3y ago

On top of that, they are still holding people in gitmo with no trial. But they have no problem pointing fingers at others. As an American, I am completely disgusted.

consumer451 3y ago

If you are wondering how we got into this mass-murderous mess, it was thanks to members of the office of the president circumventing the intelligence agencies which are usually seen as evil. In this case, they were the good guys, but it mattered not. There were special plans: > In an interview with the Scottish Sunday Herald, former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer Larry C. Johnson said the Office of Special Plans (OSP) was "dangerous for US national security and a threat to world peace. [The OSP] lied and manipulated intelligence to further its agenda of removing Saddam. It's a group of ideologues with pre-determined notions of truth and reality. They take bits of intelligence to support their agenda and ignore anything contrary. They should be eliminated." > Seymour Hersh writes that, according to an unnamed Pentagon adviser, "[OSP] was created in order to find evidence of what Wolfowitz and his boss, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, wanted to be true—that Saddam Hussein had close ties to Al Qaeda, and that Iraq had an enormous arsenal of chemical, biological, and possibly even nuclear weapons (WMD) that threatened the region and, potentially, the United States. 'The agency [CIA] was out to disprove linkage between Iraq and terrorism,' the Pentagon adviser told me. 'That's what drove them. If you've ever worked with intelligence data, you can see the ingrained views at C.I.A. that color the way it sees data.' The goal of Special Plans, he said, was 'to put the data under the microscope to reveal what the intelligence community can't see.'" > These allegations are supported by an annex to the first part of Senate Intelligence Committee's Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq published in July 2004. The review, which was highly critical of the CIA's Iraq intelligence generally but found its judgments were right on the lack of an Iraq-al Qaeda relationship, suggests that the OSP, if connected to an "Iraqi intelligence cell" also headed by Douglas Feith which is described in the annex, sought to discredit and cast doubt on CIA analysis in an effort to establish a connection between Saddam Hussein and terrorism. In one instance, in response to a cautious CIA report, Iraq and al-Qa'eda: A Murky Relationship, the annex relates that "one of the individuals working for the [intelligence cell led by Feith] stated that the June [2002] report, '...should be read for content only – and CIA's interpretation ought to be ignored.'" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans

consumer451 3y ago
To go one step deeper into the most significant policy decision in post-WWII American history, please see the plans laid out in 1997 by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz - the geniuses at The Project for a New American Century. [0] > In open letters to Clinton and GOP congressional leaders the next year, the group called for "the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power" and a shift toward a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam. > And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly, unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor." > That event came on Sept. 11, 2001. By that time, Cheney was vice president, Rumsfeld was secretary of defense, and Wolfowitz his deputy at the Pentagon. [1] This information seems to have left our collective consciousness. Please remember this history and pass it on. We owe this to the thousands of US service members and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were killed due to the decisions made by these specific men. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C... [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=128491 https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=128491
- sillywalk 3y ago
  Joe Biden, Five Years Before Invasion, Said the Only Way of Disarming Iraq Is “Taking Saddam Down” At a 1998 Senate hearing, Biden argued that “taking this son of a — taking Saddam down" was the only way to guarantee Iraq’s disarmament. " https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-iraq-war-history/ https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-iraq-war-histo...
  - consumer451 3y ago
    Biden and HRC's votes are inexcusable. When Obama first ran for President, having voted no on the invasion was the litmus test. That's one of the reasons he jumped ahead in the running. We all knew it was a giant mistake at that point. Now history is being revised. I have recently heard an active US Admiral on YT say "it's the best intelligence we had at the time." No, it was devoid of actually intel. As criminal as the Russian invasion of Ukraine, minus most of the ethnic cleansing. The USA lost so much global goodwill. It was soooo stupid and unnecessary. Arguably the end of Pax Americana.

ganeshkrishnan 3y ago

As more and more countries progress, the US will lash out with even more vigor to keep it's global supremacy. Unfortunately the provocation and involvement in Ukraine war will be regarded as the death knell for the USD and thereby relevancy of US on the global stage. It was foolish as is, to get into proxy war with Russia. Then came the aggression towards China. And now pissing off the entire middle east with arming Israel. Top it off a cold war with India. There is absolutely no sane scenario where all these ends in favor of the US. Elect a dementia expect a circus.

consumer451 3y ago
How do you see Russia's disastrous invasion of Ukraine affecting Moscow's expansionist ambitions? Putin told the Duma that he wanted to rebuild the USSR, is that still going to happen?
- ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
  >Putin told the Duma that he wanted to rebuild the USSR, is that still going to happen? I suppose Putin also blew up Nord Stream pipelines? And Russia also ran out of missiles? And Russian army is fighting with shovels?
  - consumer451 3y ago
    How does this relate to my question about the 3 day special operation? Will Putin be able to rebuild the USSR?