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So you're equating a few outliers trying to get attention, with an armed mob of thousands — summoned, dispatched, and then egged on by the sitting POTUS. JFC.

nec4b 3y ago
Are you trying to say if only a few outliers bomb a building is somehow ok? Or because they were far left terrorist its nothing to worry about?
- dctoedt 3y ago
  > Are you trying to say if only a few outliers bomb a building is somehow ok? No. That's false-dichotomy thinking, along the lines of, "It HAS to be either A or B, and it's not B, so it MUST be A." > Or because they were far left terrorist its nothing to worry about? No. They're both bad. But: 1. The BLM rioting was mostly spontaneous and rag-tag, whereas Jan. 6 was orchestrated by the then-Commander in Chief of the U.S. armed forces, aided and abetted by his acolytes in and out of government (including outsiders such as the Proud Boys); and 2. The societal risks to democratic governance differed enormously. Unlike the BLM rioting, Jan. 6 could conceivably have played out like the October Revolution in the Russia of 1917, where an armed Leninist minority seized power and displaced the Kerensky provisional government that had itself taken control in the wake of the February Revolution. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution
  - nec4b 3y ago
    >> The BLM rioting was mostly spontaneous and rag-tag Sure they were. I wonder why they are otherwise organized and have leadership and full approval of the party which is currently in power? >> The societal risks to democratic governance differed enormously. Unlike the BLM rioting Unlike BLM rioting or bombing of the capitol by the far left terrorist they didn't do any property damage or attack other people on the street.
    - dctoedt 3y ago
      > I wonder why they [BLM rioters] are otherwise organized and have leadership and full approval of the party which is currently in power? I don't think you can support that contention with, y'know, evidence. Keep in mind that some — not all — of the so-called BLM arson incidents were later found to have been done as false-flag operations by far-right extremist types [0] or as plain old insurance fraud. [1] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo... [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-trump-supporter-pleads-guilty-fire-blamed-left-wing-vandals-rcna51799 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-trump-support...
      - nec4b 3y ago
        What do you mean without evidence? You are contesting BLM has leadership? They have a website, you can check it out. Regarding the democratic party support, there are a lot of videos from cnn and other networks interviews where visible member give their support to BLM.
        dctoedt 3y ago
        You're painting with a broad brush: "BLM" ≠ "rioting." EDIT: From a 2020 Trump Administration report: "President Donald Trump has blamed leftwing extremist groups for instigating nights of looting and violence in cities across the United States, but an intelligence assessment offers limited evidence that organized extremists are behind the turmoil. [¶] In part of a June 1 internal intelligence assessment of the protests seen by Reuters, U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials said most of the violence appears to have been driven by opportunists." [0] [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23A1MZ/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23A1MZ/
        nec4b 3y ago
        >> You're painting with a broad brush: "BLM" ≠ "rioting." And you don't see yourself doing the same to the "other" side? >> but an intelligence assessment offers limited evidence that organized extremists are behind the turmoil "limited evidence" If you have ever read a book about communist revolutions or by chance even lived in a a country which had a violent leftist takeover of power, you would have recognized the tactics and methods of those takeovers in BLM protests.

nec4b 3y ago

Are you trying to say if only a few outliers bomb a building is somehow ok? Or because they were far left terrorist its nothing to worry about?

dctoedt 3y ago
> Are you trying to say if only a few outliers bomb a building is somehow ok? No. That's false-dichotomy thinking, along the lines of, "It HAS to be either A or B, and it's not B, so it MUST be A." > Or because they were far left terrorist its nothing to worry about? No. They're both bad. But: 1. The BLM rioting was mostly spontaneous and rag-tag, whereas Jan. 6 was orchestrated by the then-Commander in Chief of the U.S. armed forces, aided and abetted by his acolytes in and out of government (including outsiders such as the Proud Boys); and 2. The societal risks to democratic governance differed enormously. Unlike the BLM rioting, Jan. 6 could conceivably have played out like the October Revolution in the Russia of 1917, where an armed Leninist minority seized power and displaced the Kerensky provisional government that had itself taken control in the wake of the February Revolution. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution
- nec4b 3y ago
  >> The BLM rioting was mostly spontaneous and rag-tag Sure they were. I wonder why they are otherwise organized and have leadership and full approval of the party which is currently in power? >> The societal risks to democratic governance differed enormously. Unlike the BLM rioting Unlike BLM rioting or bombing of the capitol by the far left terrorist they didn't do any property damage or attack other people on the street.
  - dctoedt 3y ago
    > I wonder why they [BLM rioters] are otherwise organized and have leadership and full approval of the party which is currently in power? I don't think you can support that contention with, y'know, evidence. Keep in mind that some — not all — of the so-called BLM arson incidents were later found to have been done as false-flag operations by far-right extremist types [0] or as plain old insurance fraud. [1] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo... [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-trump-supporter-pleads-guilty-fire-blamed-left-wing-vandals-rcna51799 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-trump-support...
    - nec4b 3y ago
      What do you mean without evidence? You are contesting BLM has leadership? They have a website, you can check it out. Regarding the democratic party support, there are a lot of videos from cnn and other networks interviews where visible member give their support to BLM.
      - dctoedt 3y ago
        You're painting with a broad brush: "BLM" ≠ "rioting." EDIT: From a 2020 Trump Administration report: "President Donald Trump has blamed leftwing extremist groups for instigating nights of looting and violence in cities across the United States, but an intelligence assessment offers limited evidence that organized extremists are behind the turmoil. [¶] In part of a June 1 internal intelligence assessment of the protests seen by Reuters, U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials said most of the violence appears to have been driven by opportunists." [0] [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23A1MZ/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23A1MZ/
        nec4b 3y ago
        >> You're painting with a broad brush: "BLM" ≠ "rioting." And you don't see yourself doing the same to the "other" side? >> but an intelligence assessment offers limited evidence that organized extremists are behind the turmoil "limited evidence" If you have ever read a book about communist revolutions or by chance even lived in a a country which had a violent leftist takeover of power, you would have recognized the tactics and methods of those takeovers in BLM protests.