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I tried different note taking apps for years and you really have to try them to realize most of them are crap. I don't understand how people use flat notes like

I tried different note taking apps for years and you really have to try them to realize most of them are crap. I don't understand how people use flat notes like Obsidian, so I now rule those out. I want a hierarchical system. The last one I tried seemed very promising, it was actively worked on, looked nice, featureful, supported markdown. But after trying it for a weekend, I realized it was losing my notes! Not deleting my notes behind my back is kinda the most important feature for me in a note taking app. Anyway, I'm back to using Zim Wiki event though it doesn't support markdown because, at least for my brain and usecase (which is being able to find business logic and workarounds to problems when I need it), it seems to be the only one that's not complete crap.

AlexAndScripts 3y ago
Obsidian has nested folders. Using tags to organise flatly is a choice. I organise with a hierarchy just fine - what are you looking for
- TomDavey 3y ago
  Emacs includes a built-in mode named Org. Org-mode offers both hierarchy and tags. Org does many things, but it's especially accomplished at notetaking. Elisp authors have written package extensions (aka "plug-ins") for Org-mode that provide even more powerful and specialized note-taking. Among the most popular today are org-roam (built on the zettlekasten method) and denote.el.
  - maximus-decimus 3y ago
    I used org-mode for a while, but I just don't like emacs to be honest. Especially on Windows (which I'm forced to use at work)... my experience it the plugins are just not written with Windows in mind, doing stuff like hard-coding link logic with unix syntax. Also, at least for my use case which is to find random notes I took about stuff 2 years before and that's hidden God knows wheres, I find the way Zim does it to be superior because it allows fuzzy searching on a note basis. For example: you can't remember how to kill and recreate a new default-vm to fix docker-machine, you search "default vm", and it will find all the files that have both "default" and "vm" in them, even if they're not on the same line.
- maximus-decimus 3y ago
  Nested folders aren't really the same thing. I want the notes themselves to have subnotes. The way Zim implements that is it creates a file for your note, then creates a folder that contains all the images you put in that note and any subnote. You could technically do the same in Obsidian, but I don't want to micromanage the file/folder structure.

AlexAndScripts 3y ago

Obsidian has nested folders. Using tags to organise flatly is a choice. I organise with a hierarchy just fine - what are you looking for

TomDavey 3y ago
Emacs includes a built-in mode named Org. Org-mode offers both hierarchy and tags. Org does many things, but it's especially accomplished at notetaking. Elisp authors have written package extensions (aka "plug-ins") for Org-mode that provide even more powerful and specialized note-taking. Among the most popular today are org-roam (built on the zettlekasten method) and denote.el.
- maximus-decimus 3y ago
  I used org-mode for a while, but I just don't like emacs to be honest. Especially on Windows (which I'm forced to use at work)... my experience it the plugins are just not written with Windows in mind, doing stuff like hard-coding link logic with unix syntax. Also, at least for my use case which is to find random notes I took about stuff 2 years before and that's hidden God knows wheres, I find the way Zim does it to be superior because it allows fuzzy searching on a note basis. For example: you can't remember how to kill and recreate a new default-vm to fix docker-machine, you search "default vm", and it will find all the files that have both "default" and "vm" in them, even if they're not on the same line.
maximus-decimus 3y ago
Nested folders aren't really the same thing. I want the notes themselves to have subnotes. The way Zim implements that is it creates a file for your note, then creates a folder that contains all the images you put in that note and any subnote. You could technically do the same in Obsidian, but I don't want to micromanage the file/folder structure.