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I'm hoping you were intending sarcasm. Speaking for myself, the _last_ thing I care about is AI researcher access to massive corpora of pirated clean text. Who

by jprete 3y ago

I'm hoping you were intending sarcasm. Speaking for myself, the _last_ thing I care about is AI researcher access to massive corpora of pirated clean text. Who knows, maybe AI people _want_ the Web to fill with garbage so people have to ask their creations for information.

carlosjobim 3y ago
You completely misunderstood my comment. I don't understand how you could interpret it so wrongly?
- jprete 3y ago
  I'm curious what you were aiming at?
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    When the normal Internet becomes unusable because it is filled with AI spam, people will still find untainted information among the 20 million books and 100 million scientific papers in the shadow libraries. If we have a software that can make browsing books a little bit more like browsing the web, then usability will be better.
    - philomath_mn 3y ago
      There are already many examples of AI generated books spamming Amazon -- how do we separate the wheat from the chaff?
      - carlosjobim 3y ago
        People publish AI generated crap on Amazon because they make money from it and Amazon allows it because they also make money from it. People publish AI generated websites because they make money from it, and Google eagerly put blogspam on top because Google makes money from it. The shadow libraries make no money by sharing books, instead the librarians risk prison for doing it. So there is no incentive for them to include AI spam books. There is also very little incentive for creators of AI spam books to try to have them included in the shadow libraries.
        tivert 3y ago
        > The shadow libraries make no money by sharing books, instead the librarians risk prison for doing it. So there is no incentive for them to include AI spam books. There is also very little incentive for creators of AI spam books to try to have them included in the shadow libraries. That's just one incentive. There are others, like ideological battle (e.g. flood the last good information channels with generated myside propaganda, which then will motivated a counter-flood of otherside propaganda, and the mean of the floods isn't truth). And in any case, ads make a lot of money, but what exactly is an ad anyway? Is there any particular reason an ad can't take the form of an AI-generated spam book in a "shadow library"? The taint will follow the users.
        carlosjobim 3y ago
        You seem to think that anybody can control the shadow libraries and flood them with AI-generated books. That's not how any of the current libraries work, so I don't know where you got that idea from. Have you used a shadow library and seen how they function, or are you merely deducting from superior knowledge? Would you be able to flood a physical library with AI-generated books?
        tivert 3y ago
        > You seem to think that anybody can control the shadow libraries and flood them with AI-generated books. That's not how any of the current libraries work, so I don't know where you got that idea from. Have you used a shadow library and seen how they function, or are you merely deducting from superior knowledge? About two minutes of googling and testing shows that Library Genesis has an anonymous upload function. I really doubt a pirate library will have the manpower to fully vet every upload. Especially with generative AI able to generate something that sorta looks right. > Would you be able to flood a physical library with AI-generated books? A physical library does not have the same characteristics as an online "shadow library," so the question is moot. For instance: a physical has a budget and staff and orders books to shelve, while a "shadow library" must rely on (illicit) donations.

by jprete 3y ago

carlosjobim 3y ago

You completely misunderstood my comment. I don't understand how you could interpret it so wrongly?

jprete 3y ago
I'm curious what you were aiming at?
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  When the normal Internet becomes unusable because it is filled with AI spam, people will still find untainted information among the 20 million books and 100 million scientific papers in the shadow libraries. If we have a software that can make browsing books a little bit more like browsing the web, then usability will be better.
  - philomath_mn 3y ago
    There are already many examples of AI generated books spamming Amazon -- how do we separate the wheat from the chaff?
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      People publish AI generated crap on Amazon because they make money from it and Amazon allows it because they also make money from it. People publish AI generated websites because they make money from it, and Google eagerly put blogspam on top because Google makes money from it. The shadow libraries make no money by sharing books, instead the librarians risk prison for doing it. So there is no incentive for them to include AI spam books. There is also very little incentive for creators of AI spam books to try to have them included in the shadow libraries.
      - tivert 3y ago
        > The shadow libraries make no money by sharing books, instead the librarians risk prison for doing it. So there is no incentive for them to include AI spam books. There is also very little incentive for creators of AI spam books to try to have them included in the shadow libraries. That's just one incentive. There are others, like ideological battle (e.g. flood the last good information channels with generated myside propaganda, which then will motivated a counter-flood of otherside propaganda, and the mean of the floods isn't truth). And in any case, ads make a lot of money, but what exactly is an ad anyway? Is there any particular reason an ad can't take the form of an AI-generated spam book in a "shadow library"? The taint will follow the users.
        carlosjobim 3y ago
        You seem to think that anybody can control the shadow libraries and flood them with AI-generated books. That's not how any of the current libraries work, so I don't know where you got that idea from. Have you used a shadow library and seen how they function, or are you merely deducting from superior knowledge? Would you be able to flood a physical library with AI-generated books?
        tivert 3y ago
        > You seem to think that anybody can control the shadow libraries and flood them with AI-generated books. That's not how any of the current libraries work, so I don't know where you got that idea from. Have you used a shadow library and seen how they function, or are you merely deducting from superior knowledge? About two minutes of googling and testing shows that Library Genesis has an anonymous upload function. I really doubt a pirate library will have the manpower to fully vet every upload. Especially with generative AI able to generate something that sorta looks right. > Would you be able to flood a physical library with AI-generated books? A physical library does not have the same characteristics as an online "shadow library," so the question is moot. For instance: a physical has a budget and staff and orders books to shelve, while a "shadow library" must rely on (illicit) donations.