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> There are many organizations and industries that will not adopt Rust until it has a standard. Counterpoint: rust is doing fine without those organizations an

by jen20 3y ago

> There are many organizations and industries that will not adopt Rust until it has a standard. Counterpoint: rust is doing fine without those organizations and industries. Why change what is working well?

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
If rust wants to replace memory-unsafe languages, it needs to cover their use cases.
- junon 3y ago
  Which usecases does it not cover?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    >>> There are many organizations and industries that will not adopt Rust until it has a standard. So if you want those orgs/industries to get memory safety via rust, you either need a standard, or to convince them to not require that.
    - junon 3y ago
      Those are bureaucratic reasons, not anything specifically lacking in Rust.
thesuperbigfrog 3y ago
>> Counterpoint: rust is doing fine without those organizations and industries. Why change what is working well? Because Rust is a game changer. Wouldn't it be better to have Rust used for the code that runs on automobiles and aircraft? Or you would prefer that they keep using (subsets of) C and C++? Is the security of your Internet-of-Things (IoT) devices good enough or could they be better? What do you have against Rust being used in more places and for more purposes?
- faitswulff 3y ago
  Ferrous Systems has a basically bog standard Rust 1.68 compiler that’s been certified for use in the most safety critical environments: https://ferrous-systems.com/blog/officially-qualified-ferrocene/ https://ferrous-systems.com/blog/officially-qualified-ferroc... This happened without a standard.
  - thesuperbigfrog 3y ago
    >> This happened without a standard. They created a specification for Ferrocene: https://spec.ferrocene.dev/ https://spec.ferrocene.dev/ While it is technically not a Rust language standard, it serves a similar purpose for Ferrocene.
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gkbrk 3y ago
Is it doing fine without those? It seems like every time someone makes a personal or professional project in C/C++, the Rust community floods the comments section and talks about how it's irresponsible to use C/C++ and how the author should just throw away the whole project and re-write it in Rust. It happens so often it became a meme at this point.
- sgift 3y ago
  > It happens so often it became a meme at this point. No, the meme is kept alive by C++ people who say that this happens without it actually happen. It happened a long time ago a few times, since then it's either an active discussion about languages, where for some reason talking about Rust is a problem, but every other language is okay or it's someone feeling attacked by the mere idea that projects which only could be done in C++ could now also be done by another language and starts crying about how the Rust community would flood every topic. There's no longer an area where C++ is the only available option. Get over it. The rest of the world did a long time ago.

by jen20 3y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

If rust wants to replace memory-unsafe languages, it needs to cover their use cases.

junon 3y ago
Which usecases does it not cover?
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  >>> There are many organizations and industries that will not adopt Rust until it has a standard. So if you want those orgs/industries to get memory safety via rust, you either need a standard, or to convince them to not require that.
  - junon 3y ago
    Those are bureaucratic reasons, not anything specifically lacking in Rust.

thesuperbigfrog 3y ago

>> Counterpoint: rust is doing fine without those organizations and industries. Why change what is working well? Because Rust is a game changer. Wouldn't it be better to have Rust used for the code that runs on automobiles and aircraft? Or you would prefer that they keep using (subsets of) C and C++? Is the security of your Internet-of-Things (IoT) devices good enough or could they be better? What do you have against Rust being used in more places and for more purposes?

faitswulff 3y ago
Ferrous Systems has a basically bog standard Rust 1.68 compiler that’s been certified for use in the most safety critical environments: https://ferrous-systems.com/blog/officially-qualified-ferrocene/ https://ferrous-systems.com/blog/officially-qualified-ferroc... This happened without a standard.
- thesuperbigfrog 3y ago
  >> This happened without a standard. They created a specification for Ferrocene: https://spec.ferrocene.dev/ https://spec.ferrocene.dev/ While it is technically not a Rust language standard, it serves a similar purpose for Ferrocene.
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gkbrk 3y ago

Is it doing fine without those? It seems like every time someone makes a personal or professional project in C/C++, the Rust community floods the comments section and talks about how it's irresponsible to use C/C++ and how the author should just throw away the whole project and re-write it in Rust. It happens so often it became a meme at this point.

sgift 3y ago
> It happens so often it became a meme at this point. No, the meme is kept alive by C++ people who say that this happens without it actually happen. It happened a long time ago a few times, since then it's either an active discussion about languages, where for some reason talking about Rust is a problem, but every other language is okay or it's someone feeling attacked by the mere idea that projects which only could be done in C++ could now also be done by another language and starts crying about how the Rust community would flood every topic. There's no longer an area where C++ is the only available option. Get over it. The rest of the world did a long time ago.