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404 media is really, really anti-ai and especially image generation. In this case stolen isn't as inaccurate as it could be but the article definitely has a str

404 media is really, really anti-ai and especially image generation. In this case stolen isn't as inaccurate as it could be but the article definitely has a strong bias. (Stolen in the same way a musician can steal a chord progression, i.e, not illegal but done faithfully enough sorta unethical)

RecycledEle 3y ago
404 media is lying when they say any image of a man with a wood carving of a dig is stolen. Copyright does not work that way. They need to be sued into bankruptcy for defamation. AI is a wonderful tool that lets anyone creat beautiful images, and the incumbents in the image-faking field are deeply offended by that.
- digging 3y ago
  > They need to be sued into bankruptcy for defamation. How about let's not.
- visarga 3y ago
  What? I thought copyright would cover "*.human-with-carved-dog", not "specific.human-with-carved-dog". At least that's how it seems to work if you listen to some people. You draw a flower, nobody can draw a flower anymore. This is the logical conclusion if you believe training on some copyrighted works and then generating different enough content would violate the original copyright. If I remember correctly, just training on a copyrighted image without generating a similar image was argued in court to be copyright infringement.
- etchalon 3y ago
  "Stolen" is meant colloquially, not literally let alone precise legally.
  - RecycledEle 3y ago
    I disagree.
numpad0 3y ago
Everyone violently pro- OR anti-AI should realize they're violently agitated before any word is spoken. The most plausible explanation to this phenomenon is that, AI image generators trigger Uncanny Valley effect[1]. It might have hit the bottom, or there could be more below, but either way, people should be aware and be mindful and be interested in that they are more agitated than with respect to superficial agreement/disagreement relevant discussion topics, to terminology("learning") or copyright law interpretations or any of the sorts. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
- whelp_24 3y ago
  I don't understand what this has to do with my comment. Also, ai art has gotten past uncanny valley in a lot of cases, that's why there is concern it's possible to confuse with real images.

RecycledEle 3y ago

404 media is lying when they say any image of a man with a wood carving of a dig is stolen. Copyright does not work that way. They need to be sued into bankruptcy for defamation. AI is a wonderful tool that lets anyone creat beautiful images, and the incumbents in the image-faking field are deeply offended by that.

digging 3y ago
> They need to be sued into bankruptcy for defamation. How about let's not.
visarga 3y ago
What? I thought copyright would cover "*.human-with-carved-dog", not "specific.human-with-carved-dog". At least that's how it seems to work if you listen to some people. You draw a flower, nobody can draw a flower anymore. This is the logical conclusion if you believe training on some copyrighted works and then generating different enough content would violate the original copyright. If I remember correctly, just training on a copyrighted image without generating a similar image was argued in court to be copyright infringement.
etchalon 3y ago
"Stolen" is meant colloquially, not literally let alone precise legally.
- RecycledEle 3y ago
  I disagree.

numpad0 3y ago

Everyone violently pro- OR anti-AI should realize they're violently agitated before any word is spoken. The most plausible explanation to this phenomenon is that, AI image generators trigger Uncanny Valley effect[1]. It might have hit the bottom, or there could be more below, but either way, people should be aware and be mindful and be interested in that they are more agitated than with respect to superficial agreement/disagreement relevant discussion topics, to terminology("learning") or copyright law interpretations or any of the sorts. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

whelp_24 3y ago
I don't understand what this has to do with my comment. Also, ai art has gotten past uncanny valley in a lot of cases, that's why there is concern it's possible to confuse with real images.