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Marc Andreessen wrote "It's time to build" in 2020 bemoaning that "we can’t build nearly enough housing in our cities with surging economic potential - which re

Marc Andreessen wrote "It's time to build" in 2020 bemoaning that "we can’t build nearly enough housing in our cities with surging economic potential - which results in crazily skyrocketing housing prices in places like San Francisco, making it nearly impossible for regular people to move in and take the jobs of the future." Then last year when plans were made for multi-family homes in Atherton, Andreessen and his wife sent out a letter that multi-family homes where he lives "will massively decrease our home values, the quality of life of ourselves and our neighbors and immensely increase the noise pollution and traffic". Growth and "progress" when it's your environment and neighborhood being trampled on, government regulation and restraint when it comes to his neighborhood and property. We can take this "movement" with the hypocrisy it is wrapped in.

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bko 3y ago
What does this have to do with e/acc? Im very much in favor of yimby, but i understand personal preference as well. If someone in Venice Italy was against filling in canals, would you be similarly outraged? I think there's a balance between not making every neighborhood a densely populated cookie cutter multi family dwelling and endless zoning permits that require you to file with dozens of environmental agencies with dubious impacts on environment. But again, what does this have to do with e/acc or the article apart from being a lazy dunk on someone who has e/acc in their twitter profile
- malermeister 3y ago
  You know where else is filled with densely populated multi family dwellings? Vienna. Paris. I don't know about you, but they definitely feel less cookie cutter than most of California to me.
  - greenie_beans 3y ago
    and vienna has cheap housing, thanks to their social housing
- feedforward 3y ago
  > what does this have to do with e/acc or the article You mean the article where Andreessen's name is in the title of the article, right next to his picture?
  - feedforward 3y ago
    Also - let me put on the /e/acc hat for a second - I have a sure-fire way of accelerating AI. Remove all restrictions of selling Nvidia H100 cards to China! This will certainly accelerate the growth of AI, which according to /e/acc philosophy, will benefit all of mankind. (I am aware of the saying that sarcasm and subtlety does not carry through Internet posts. So to prevent mindless replies to the suggestion made - I am not necessarily saying to remove those restrictions, I am saying if I put an /e/acc hat on, it seems obvious to me this would be one of the demands for removing any barriers to AI acceleration).
- jljljl 3y ago
  This response is literally NIMBYism: "Build build everywhere, just Not In My Back Yard. My neighborhood is special". If you believe that acceleration is critical, then you should be willing to take some sacrifices yourself in order to build or expand. If you start making exceptions, then you are saying that acceleration and growth itself is not inherently good, but only good in _some_ places when it impacts _some_ people.
  - bko 3y ago
    If you believe that dealing with homelessness is critical, then you should be willing to take some sacrifices yourself in order to personally house homeless people. If you start making exceptions, then you are saying that dealing with homelessness itself is not inherently good, but only good in _some_ places when it impacts _some_ people. You can apply this to literally anything. This argument is silly.
    - jljljl 3y ago
      You can play Mad Libs with any paragraph, but it doesn't mean the argument has been applied correctly. My point is that any project needs to properly balance the goals of the project with the freedom and autonomy of other people. This is not saying that the goals always triumph, or that autonomy always triumphs, but that there is a balance. You asked what this has to do with e/acc -- if e/acc is claiming progress at all costs, build at all costs, but then imposes carve outs for the freedom/autonomy of only certain people (particularly it's adherents), it's a contradiction in the project.

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bko 3y ago

What does this have to do with e/acc? Im very much in favor of yimby, but i understand personal preference as well. If someone in Venice Italy was against filling in canals, would you be similarly outraged? I think there's a balance between not making every neighborhood a densely populated cookie cutter multi family dwelling and endless zoning permits that require you to file with dozens of environmental agencies with dubious impacts on environment. But again, what does this have to do with e/acc or the article apart from being a lazy dunk on someone who has e/acc in their twitter profile

malermeister 3y ago
You know where else is filled with densely populated multi family dwellings? Vienna. Paris. I don't know about you, but they definitely feel less cookie cutter than most of California to me.
- greenie_beans 3y ago
  and vienna has cheap housing, thanks to their social housing
feedforward 3y ago
> what does this have to do with e/acc or the article You mean the article where Andreessen's name is in the title of the article, right next to his picture?
- feedforward 3y ago
  Also - let me put on the /e/acc hat for a second - I have a sure-fire way of accelerating AI. Remove all restrictions of selling Nvidia H100 cards to China! This will certainly accelerate the growth of AI, which according to /e/acc philosophy, will benefit all of mankind. (I am aware of the saying that sarcasm and subtlety does not carry through Internet posts. So to prevent mindless replies to the suggestion made - I am not necessarily saying to remove those restrictions, I am saying if I put an /e/acc hat on, it seems obvious to me this would be one of the demands for removing any barriers to AI acceleration).
jljljl 3y ago
This response is literally NIMBYism: "Build build everywhere, just Not In My Back Yard. My neighborhood is special". If you believe that acceleration is critical, then you should be willing to take some sacrifices yourself in order to build or expand. If you start making exceptions, then you are saying that acceleration and growth itself is not inherently good, but only good in _some_ places when it impacts _some_ people.
- bko 3y ago
  If you believe that dealing with homelessness is critical, then you should be willing to take some sacrifices yourself in order to personally house homeless people. If you start making exceptions, then you are saying that dealing with homelessness itself is not inherently good, but only good in _some_ places when it impacts _some_ people. You can apply this to literally anything. This argument is silly.
  - jljljl 3y ago
    You can play Mad Libs with any paragraph, but it doesn't mean the argument has been applied correctly. My point is that any project needs to properly balance the goals of the project with the freedom and autonomy of other people. This is not saying that the goals always triumph, or that autonomy always triumphs, but that there is a balance. You asked what this has to do with e/acc -- if e/acc is claiming progress at all costs, build at all costs, but then imposes carve outs for the freedom/autonomy of only certain people (particularly it's adherents), it's a contradiction in the project.