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Maybe it's time to stop caring so much about things on the internet and focus on the truth that is in front of you, the real things.

usrusr 3y ago
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- CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
  You can't do anything about it aside from getting stressed at your device. How would you feel if you were now getting stressed at a chatbot?
- tharne 3y ago
  You really think more people rage-commenting on clickbait news articles makes the world better? The parent commenter is right. We should be spending our time on the people and relationships near to us in the real world, not junk on Facebook.
  - revscat 3y ago
    Interesting that you are getting downvoted here. I have come to a similar conclusion, for my own mental health if for no other reason. My ability to affect the course of human civilization is next to zero, and worrying about AGW, etc., is simply not something I feel driven to do anymore. Instead I’m baking cookies for friends and family today.
I_Am_Nous 3y ago
I wish we could get other people to agree, the internet was great until it started leaking out into real life and affecting day to day existence. The internet is a meta-reality that keeps asserting itself into our perceived reality and convinces people it should be paid attention to.
- CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
  Amen to that!
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  The internet is a reflection of reality, and mirrors are useful things - as long as not too many of them are fetched from a funhouse.
  - coffeecantcode 3y ago
    Nothing to add, just wanted to say this was very well put.
simiones 3y ago
Well, if you care about your city or country, you have to care about many things that are not immediately in front of you. And the Internet is one of the main places where such things can be learned about.
- randomdata 3y ago
  Most cities and counties see the people of those cities/countries hire representatives to discover and report on the things that should be cared about that are not immediately in front of the average person going about their day. If you alone feel you also need to duplicate their efforts, you may just have control issues, but if the need is genuine and shared by many then you need to rally the people to get the problem solved. Paying an employee to do nothing while you pick up the slack is a plain waste of resources.
  - simiones 3y ago
    You still have to care whether your representatives are actually doing the job you voted them in for and are paying your taxes for. You can't just say "I voted for someone who promised to build shelters for homeless people, so homeless people now have shelter". Ideally, the press would actually report on what is happening, but the incentives just aren't there for thorough and accurate reporting. You either get highly partisan press that lies or just omits important parts of what is happening because the ones paying the bills want them to, or you get an anemic press that can't do more than trawl FB or, worse, official declarations for info.
    - randomdata 3y ago
      When you sit down and go over the reports and give direction with your employee each week, it should stand out pretty clearly if they are not doing their job. No different than any other organization where you hire employees. Cities and countries are not somehow magically different. Of course, you don't just vote for the employee you like and never speak to them again. That would be just plain silly. Being the boss doesn't mean you can sit idle on a sandy beach for the rest of your life. Although that is not nearly as silly as hiring an employee and then doing their job for them. There is no point in hiring anyone if you want to do the job yourself. You go through the employee election process because you recognize that it is more efficient for one person to do the work on your, and your neighbour's, behalf. You are choosing to hand off the work to someone else precisely so you do not have to do it.
keybored 3y ago
This is the Postmodern Age. People have been writing about this phenomena decades before the widespread adoption of the Internet and before geniuses began penning opinion pieces about how it’s possible to believe untruths now.[1] Which means that (in turn) you can’t just “log off” and be rid of the problem since it predates... logging off. Neo thought he could just “log off” in The Matrix. But then then it turned out that the illusions ran deeper than first thought. [1] Filter Bubble quacks et al
- int_19h 3y ago
  Orwell wrote this in a letter in 1944: "Everywhere the world movement seems to be in the direction of centralised economies which can be made to ‘work’ in an economic sense but which are not democratically organised and which tend to establish a caste system. With this go the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the words and prophecies of some infallible fuhrer. Already history has in a sense ceased to exist, ie. there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted, and the exact sciences are endangered as soon as military necessity ceases to keep people up to the mark. Hitler can say that the Jews started the war, and if he survives that will become official history. He can’t say that two and two are five, because for the purposes of, say, ballistics they have to make four. But if the sort of world that I am afraid of arrives, a world of two or three great superstates which are unable to conquer one another, two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it. That, so far as I can see, is the direction in which we are actually moving, though, of course, the process is reversible."
  - keybored 3y ago
    I get the impression from Orwell that he thinks of these issues in too much of a top-down way. “prophecies of some infallible fuhrer.” It’s easy to mentally resist the propaganda of the fuhrer and his henchmen. You just have to parrot the lines, you don’t have to believe it.[1] But these issues have become internalized, not merely something that the Ministry of Truth or whatever says. I think the introduction to Eclipse of Reason explains it better (published 1947). In general I think “Truth” died due to Hyperreality. (If I could read French. Or understand Postmodernism.) Orwell’s vision has become too simplistic. I don’t really understand why his memes are so popular. Although perhaps on a meta-level it could be understood. [1] The propaganda in Animal Farm was mostly delivered through the henchmen who personally berated the animals and gaslit them. It’s harder to resist even that.

usrusr 3y ago

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CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
You can't do anything about it aside from getting stressed at your device. How would you feel if you were now getting stressed at a chatbot?
tharne 3y ago
You really think more people rage-commenting on clickbait news articles makes the world better? The parent commenter is right. We should be spending our time on the people and relationships near to us in the real world, not junk on Facebook.
- revscat 3y ago
  Interesting that you are getting downvoted here. I have come to a similar conclusion, for my own mental health if for no other reason. My ability to affect the course of human civilization is next to zero, and worrying about AGW, etc., is simply not something I feel driven to do anymore. Instead I’m baking cookies for friends and family today.

I_Am_Nous 3y ago

I wish we could get other people to agree, the internet was great until it started leaking out into real life and affecting day to day existence. The internet is a meta-reality that keeps asserting itself into our perceived reality and convinces people it should be paid attention to.

CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
Amen to that!
pavel_lishin 3y ago
The internet is a reflection of reality, and mirrors are useful things - as long as not too many of them are fetched from a funhouse.
- coffeecantcode 3y ago
  Nothing to add, just wanted to say this was very well put.

simiones 3y ago

Well, if you care about your city or country, you have to care about many things that are not immediately in front of you. And the Internet is one of the main places where such things can be learned about.

randomdata 3y ago
Most cities and counties see the people of those cities/countries hire representatives to discover and report on the things that should be cared about that are not immediately in front of the average person going about their day. If you alone feel you also need to duplicate their efforts, you may just have control issues, but if the need is genuine and shared by many then you need to rally the people to get the problem solved. Paying an employee to do nothing while you pick up the slack is a plain waste of resources.
- simiones 3y ago
  You still have to care whether your representatives are actually doing the job you voted them in for and are paying your taxes for. You can't just say "I voted for someone who promised to build shelters for homeless people, so homeless people now have shelter". Ideally, the press would actually report on what is happening, but the incentives just aren't there for thorough and accurate reporting. You either get highly partisan press that lies or just omits important parts of what is happening because the ones paying the bills want them to, or you get an anemic press that can't do more than trawl FB or, worse, official declarations for info.
  - randomdata 3y ago
    When you sit down and go over the reports and give direction with your employee each week, it should stand out pretty clearly if they are not doing their job. No different than any other organization where you hire employees. Cities and countries are not somehow magically different. Of course, you don't just vote for the employee you like and never speak to them again. That would be just plain silly. Being the boss doesn't mean you can sit idle on a sandy beach for the rest of your life. Although that is not nearly as silly as hiring an employee and then doing their job for them. There is no point in hiring anyone if you want to do the job yourself. You go through the employee election process because you recognize that it is more efficient for one person to do the work on your, and your neighbour's, behalf. You are choosing to hand off the work to someone else precisely so you do not have to do it.

keybored 3y ago

This is the Postmodern Age. People have been writing about this phenomena decades before the widespread adoption of the Internet and before geniuses began penning opinion pieces about how it’s possible to believe untruths now.[1] Which means that (in turn) you can’t just “log off” and be rid of the problem since it predates... logging off. Neo thought he could just “log off” in The Matrix. But then then it turned out that the illusions ran deeper than first thought. [1] Filter Bubble quacks et al

int_19h 3y ago
Orwell wrote this in a letter in 1944: "Everywhere the world movement seems to be in the direction of centralised economies which can be made to ‘work’ in an economic sense but which are not democratically organised and which tend to establish a caste system. With this go the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the words and prophecies of some infallible fuhrer. Already history has in a sense ceased to exist, ie. there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted, and the exact sciences are endangered as soon as military necessity ceases to keep people up to the mark. Hitler can say that the Jews started the war, and if he survives that will become official history. He can’t say that two and two are five, because for the purposes of, say, ballistics they have to make four. But if the sort of world that I am afraid of arrives, a world of two or three great superstates which are unable to conquer one another, two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it. That, so far as I can see, is the direction in which we are actually moving, though, of course, the process is reversible."
- keybored 3y ago
  I get the impression from Orwell that he thinks of these issues in too much of a top-down way. “prophecies of some infallible fuhrer.” It’s easy to mentally resist the propaganda of the fuhrer and his henchmen. You just have to parrot the lines, you don’t have to believe it.[1] But these issues have become internalized, not merely something that the Ministry of Truth or whatever says. I think the introduction to Eclipse of Reason explains it better (published 1947). In general I think “Truth” died due to Hyperreality. (If I could read French. Or understand Postmodernism.) Orwell’s vision has become too simplistic. I don’t really understand why his memes are so popular. Although perhaps on a meta-level it could be understood. [1] The propaganda in Animal Farm was mostly delivered through the henchmen who personally berated the animals and gaslit them. It’s harder to resist even that.