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> Why do those things not apply to someone using AI? I hate making this kind of argument, but: I'm glad you made this argument, because I think it helps illust
by haswell 3y ago
> Why do those things not apply to someone using AI? I hate making this kind of argument, but:
I'm glad you made this argument, because I think it helps illustrate the point. When we talk about photography vs. AI vs. other forms of artwork in highly abstract terms, they all sound superficially similar.
The moment you start to dive into the details behind each process, it's clear that they are entirely unlike each other. So yes, the AI "artist" is drawing on a myriad of factors and intuitions, but the nature of those factors and intuitions and the effect they have on the output are drastically different to the point that they don't resemble photography even a little bit.
For example, the photographer who wants to take a stunning photograph of a snowy mountain vista at sunrise often has to:
- Use their knowledge of basic astronomy and sun movement to plan the timing and location of the photo
- Use their body to physically hike to the location that will give them this stunning view
- Use their knowledge of survival to stay safe while they hike
- Once on location, use their knowledge of perspective, depth, camera angle, and composition to find a pleasing place to take the photo from (composition is one of the single most impactful choices and only comes from practice/skill)
- While under time pressure from the rising sun, dial in the correct depth of field and exposure
- When things go wrong (which they often do), quickly re-assess all of the above and try shots from new location
- When done, understand the properties of light and color to a degree that enables them to develop the photo so that it matches the original scene
- The wildlife photographer draws on yet another deep and potentially vast skillset
The AI "artist" types "a stunning photograph of a snowy mountain vista at sunrise" into a box and clicks the Generate button.
It may be that knowing how to formulate a sentence that describes the desired scene relies on a myriad of factors and intuitions, but to compare those factors and intuitions to those the photographer is using seems deeply problematic.
Which leads us to reason people find stunning photographs enjoyable to look at in the first place. Encoded in that photograph is the story of the person who took it. In every piece of traditional art (using the word traditional here to mean not AI), the artist's life experiences, thoughts, emotions, and personal investment are baked into the result. This is why many/most people find art compelling. Not just for its beauty, but for the humanity encoded into it.
AI imagery is its own form of deeply fascinating when you think of it as a distillation of the skills of millions of people baked into a single model. But when you see a piece of AI imagery, it cannot evoke the same kind of emotional connection to the source, because it's far removed from the original artistic process. It's something, but it's not compelling.
> You still need those things in order to make a compelling image with AI, especially if you're getting into the more advanced uses.
You need very little, relatively speaking, to make a compelling image with AI when compared to the life experiences of the people who made the imagery that powers current AI models. That's not to say you need nothing, but I don't think they can be compared.
Once you move beyond these abstract comparisons, the underlying processes show themselves to be entirely unlike each other.
I should also mention that I'm not saying AI imagery has no place. I think it's tremendously useful for the creation of educational content, to help people communicate ideas they previously didn't have the skills to communicate, etc. But I think it sits in a very different category.
- frumper 3y agoOne could say much the same comparing photography to painting. Photography allows people to communicate in ways that previously they didn't have the skill to with paint. AI is just a tool, the art will be in learning how to best use it.
- haswell 3y agoOne could say many things about the difference between photography and painting of course, but I don't think the things said about these differences are "much the same". In the abstract, they appear superficially similar. When you consider the underlying details, they are worlds apart, and I think it's a category error to compare them directly. Painting is painting. Photography is photography. AI images are AI images (a category that will be further subdivided as the technology matures, much like painting and photography make up a spectrum of skills and approaches). They all sit in their own spaces, each with characteristics that make them more or less interesting. I'm personally far more interested in the kind of art that requires investment of human capital: mental, emotional, talent, skill, time, effort. I care about quality paintings and photos not just because of what they look like, but because of what it took to create them. Because of the emotions intrinsic to every brush stroke. Or the immersion of the photographer's consciousness in a real location that was difficult to reach. That human investment is core to the expression of the work, and to the interest it garners. I do think AI tools will be transformative for traditional artists and will unlock new possibilities. They'll also enable a new generation of artists to turn their imaginations into visual artifacts they were previously not capable of creating. I think the same is true for LLMs and writing. But at the core of it all, these are all forms of human-to-human communication, and the process itself carries much of the message. Much of that message is lost to the medium when we abstract more and more of the process away. As a thought experiment, consider food replicators in Star Trek. I can tell it what I want, and food appears. This is entirely unlike the process of making a high quality meal from scratch, and I wouldn't call myself a chef for having the ability to describe to a machine what I'd like it to do. This isn't to say there is no value in knowing how to instruct the machine well, but it's just a very different category of human activity.
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