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Looking at your profile, it says you work for Google, so I assume this is in the context of google? You guys probably have the internal legal resources to advic
by dtx1 3y ago
Looking at your profile, it says you work for Google, so I assume this is in the context of google? You guys probably have the internal legal resources to advice you. If it was not in that context, ChatGPT at least suggest that this is first of all a federal fucking crime (Domestic Bribery Act seems to apply here) and you can contact the Department of Justice, the FBI or report it to the SEC which offers a whistleblower program.
Please consider your next steps carefully though and contact legal counsel basically immediately since you just publicly accused adobe representatives of a federal crime! Frankly, I would ask Dan to remove your comment ASAP.
Fun Fact: The SEC offers financial incentives to people who report those violations!
- anthuswilliams 3y agoThis sounds it might be like a hallucination. I've never heard of any "Domestic Bribery Act" and I'm unable to find one in cursory online searching. (In 18 USC there are prohibitions on bribing public officials, but that doesn't seem relevant here.)
- dtx1 3y agoFascinating, i think you are correct. This website at least suggests that there are some other laws regarding domestic bribes: https://www.globalcompliancenews.com/anti-corruption/anti-corruption-in-the-united-states/ https://www.globalcompliancenews.com/anti-corruption/anti-co... But "Domestic Bribery Act" seems to be a hallucination. I have so far only encountered fake sources or links that don't exist, this kind of hallucination is new and unexpected. Thanks for making me aware of this, quite scary how utterly convincing chatGPT was in this instance.
- danpalmer 3y agoAlso FWIW, I'm in the UK and was likely dealing with a UK subsidiary of Adobe, so the laws would likely be different anyway.
- Nemo_bis 3y agoThe SEC effectively has worldwide jurisdiction, for something that relates to a USA-listed company. The tip submission form seems relatively lightweight. https://www.sec.gov/whistleblower/submit-a-tip https://www.sec.gov/whistleblower/submit-a-tip
- andylynch 3y agoThe UK Bribery Act is, on paper, very strong and broad in application. Unfortunately prosecutions under it are exceptionally rare.
- cornstalks 3y ago> this kind of hallucination is new and unexpected I don’t think it’s new or unexpected at all. Remember the lawyers who used ChatGPT and it ended up fabricating case law? ChatGPT is interesting and all but it’s seriously untrustworthy.
- nicolas_17 3y agoChatGPT is trained to sound convincing, not to be correct.
- Spooky23 3y agoChatGPT is not a good place to get legal advice. Regardless, there are a variety of ways that you can get boned for accepting bribes in your capacity as an employee. In the US, the "honest services" laws have been weakened by Supreme Court action, but there are other paths to criminal prosecution. The advice of "STFU and get the comment removed" is spot on.
- danpalmer 3y agoThis was several years ago in a different role before my current employer, and has nothing to do with my current employer. I agree that legal advice would have been good here, but to be honest I was just glad to cancel the subscriptions and move on with more important things. The company I worked for is sadly out of business now so wouldn't be a target of any action, and I stand by my comments in a personal capacity so have no wish to take them down currently, but thank you for the advice. I wouldn't be (and am not) making this sort of accusation on behalf of any operating company without prior approval.