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GP, who I replied to, did indeed say exactly that. I asked which planet they’re from and you hopped in to explain.

coldtea 3y ago
Yes, and I explained that we're in a planet were western free speech is increasingly stiffled by the governments and cooperating private sector. If find it abhorrent, even if it passes the low bar of "not equal to China" (which I find irrelevant). Do you disagree with that?
- ethanbond 3y ago
  In general I’d like stronger speech protections but I find your approach to be hysterical and counterproductive. For example, I don’t think it’s right to say the government cannot possibly request content moderation action, nor do I think it’s right to say that a private company can’t voluntarily cooperate with such a request. So your whole hysterical “private companies can’t stand up to this!” is actually adding to the problem by giving the impression they cannot. In reality, they can, they should, and they very often do.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    >For example, I don’t think it’s right to say the government cannot possibly request content moderation action, nor do I think it’s right to say that a private company can’t voluntarily cooperate with such a request. So much for "stronger free speech protections". If someone who says they agree with free speech says talking against this is "hysterical", I'd like to see what those against free speech say.
    - ethanbond 3y ago
      So in your ideal model of the world, it would be forbidden for anyone working for the government to click a “report child pornography” button on Twitter et al? Or would it just be forbidden for Twitter to look at that report and then remove the content?
      - nec4b 3y ago
        If your argument is think of the kids, you stooped very low.
        ethanbond 3y ago
        If your argument relies on precluding the realistic types of cases that would be affected by it, you’re not thinking about solving real problems.

Yes, and I explained that we're in a planet were western free speech is increasingly stiffled by the governments and cooperating private sector. If find it abhorrent, even if it passes the low bar of "not equal to China" (which I find irrelevant). Do you disagree with that?

ethanbond 3y ago
In general I’d like stronger speech protections but I find your approach to be hysterical and counterproductive. For example, I don’t think it’s right to say the government cannot possibly request content moderation action, nor do I think it’s right to say that a private company can’t voluntarily cooperate with such a request. So your whole hysterical “private companies can’t stand up to this!” is actually adding to the problem by giving the impression they cannot. In reality, they can, they should, and they very often do.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >For example, I don’t think it’s right to say the government cannot possibly request content moderation action, nor do I think it’s right to say that a private company can’t voluntarily cooperate with such a request. So much for "stronger free speech protections". If someone who says they agree with free speech says talking against this is "hysterical", I'd like to see what those against free speech say.
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    So in your ideal model of the world, it would be forbidden for anyone working for the government to click a “report child pornography” button on Twitter et al? Or would it just be forbidden for Twitter to look at that report and then remove the content?
    - nec4b 3y ago
      If your argument is think of the kids, you stooped very low.
      - ethanbond 3y ago
        If your argument relies on precluding the realistic types of cases that would be affected by it, you’re not thinking about solving real problems.