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imo, Adobe is falling behind. Photoshop's generative AI is substantially worse than what I can get from models on Tensorart/CivitAI + an upscaler. It's way eas

by spaceman_2020 3y ago

imo, Adobe is falling behind. Photoshop's generative AI is substantially worse than what I can get from models on Tensorart/CivitAI + an upscaler. It's way easier to produce something that can go live right now without much editing in CivitAI -> Upscale in Magnific -> Add to Canva.

facialwipe 3y ago
I think what you mean to say is Stable Diffusion. CivitAI is primarily a host for SD models to download and run locally.
- spaceman_2020 3y ago
  You can run many of the models directly through CivitAI. You get lower quality images, but you can upscale them through an upscaler. Just go to any model and click "Create". You can even use examples from the model to prefill the prompt. For example, you can scroll down and click "Start Creating" on this page: https://civitai.com/images/3908138 https://civitai.com/images/3908138
  - facialwipe 3y ago
    CivitAI’s web tools are great for someone getting their feet wet but it presents an extremely stripped down options UI relative what’s available in Draw Things on iOS/macOS or SHARK on Windows.
    - spaceman_2020 3y ago
      True, but that's precisely my point: even with this stripped down version, I was able to hack together exactly what I wanted for an upcoming project in far less time. I got a model in the exact hairstyle, pose, and costume I wanted. The upscaler did a pretty good job of making it production ready. This stuff is wildly productive for noobs who just want to get stuff out. Maybe its not something you'd see in an Apple ad, but its definitely something you'll see in a small business ad.
costcofries 3y ago
Worse or not, a meaningful majority of users will never even understand the alternate workflow you just described.
- spaceman_2020 3y ago
  Then they will be outproduced. I, a graphic design noob, managed to create a bunch of social media posts for an upcoming project that included a completely custom 3D character in precisely the poses I wanted, all within an hour. Without gen AI, I would have likely spent hours digging through stock photos, modifying lighting and colors, and still not achieved what I wanted to. Not using the latest and greatest tools in your profession isn't really a flex.
Kaijo 3y ago
Maybe they are hampered by "doing the right thing" and only training on Adobe Stock content? Firefly (Adobe's generative AI) works well if you're already stuck in a Photoshop-heavy workflow, for quick successive generations right in the canvas if you're editing or extending an existing image. Better than Stable Diffusion Photoshop plugins I've tried.
SirMaster 3y ago
>Photoshop's generative AI is substantially worse than what I can get from models on Tensorart/CivitAI + an upscaler. But with Photoshops, I can generate things to be seamlessly placed into my existing scene, with it understanding things like placing the wheels of the car it just inserted on the ground, with a shadow underneath and such, again seamlessly integrated with my existing image. It's very much not just about generating an entirely new AI image. Can I do that with Tensorart/CivitAI?
- capybara_2020 3y ago
  Isn't that just inpanting? Stable Diffusion has had it for a while. Eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1_sq-i_5U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1_sq-i_5U You can do that with any part of the image, this video shows a face sample.
  - SirMaster 3y ago
    It might be. https://youtu.be/Sp6K3qpVFO0?t=95 https://youtu.be/Sp6K3qpVFO0?t=95 But at the very least, it seems like it's easier to work with in Photoshop.
pier25 3y ago
I couldn't care less about AI in Photoshop but I'd love AI in Illustrator to generate vector stuff.
- jansan 3y ago
  AI sucks pretty hard at generating Vectors. The only option for now is to generate something in an illustration style and have it vectorized.
  - pier25 3y ago
    There are a couple of AI vectors services out there but the pricing is just silly. https://vectorart.ai/ https://vectorart.ai/ https://www.kittl.com/feature/ai-text-to-vector https://www.kittl.com/feature/ai-text-to-vector
- facialwipe 3y ago
  Text to Vector appears to be a beta feature in Illustrator currently: https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/text-to-vector-graphic.html https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/text-to-vector-gra...
pantulis 3y ago
Adobe's vision is fully supporting the content lifecycle, not only the creative aspect. In this sense, Figma made far more sense for Experience Cloud rather than what it gives to Creative Cloud.

facialwipe 3y ago

I think what you mean to say is Stable Diffusion. CivitAI is primarily a host for SD models to download and run locally.

spaceman_2020 3y ago
You can run many of the models directly through CivitAI. You get lower quality images, but you can upscale them through an upscaler. Just go to any model and click "Create". You can even use examples from the model to prefill the prompt. For example, you can scroll down and click "Start Creating" on this page: https://civitai.com/images/3908138 https://civitai.com/images/3908138
- facialwipe 3y ago
  CivitAI’s web tools are great for someone getting their feet wet but it presents an extremely stripped down options UI relative what’s available in Draw Things on iOS/macOS or SHARK on Windows.
  - spaceman_2020 3y ago
    True, but that's precisely my point: even with this stripped down version, I was able to hack together exactly what I wanted for an upcoming project in far less time. I got a model in the exact hairstyle, pose, and costume I wanted. The upscaler did a pretty good job of making it production ready. This stuff is wildly productive for noobs who just want to get stuff out. Maybe its not something you'd see in an Apple ad, but its definitely something you'll see in a small business ad.

costcofries 3y ago

Worse or not, a meaningful majority of users will never even understand the alternate workflow you just described.

spaceman_2020 3y ago
Then they will be outproduced. I, a graphic design noob, managed to create a bunch of social media posts for an upcoming project that included a completely custom 3D character in precisely the poses I wanted, all within an hour. Without gen AI, I would have likely spent hours digging through stock photos, modifying lighting and colors, and still not achieved what I wanted to. Not using the latest and greatest tools in your profession isn't really a flex.

Kaijo 3y ago

Maybe they are hampered by "doing the right thing" and only training on Adobe Stock content? Firefly (Adobe's generative AI) works well if you're already stuck in a Photoshop-heavy workflow, for quick successive generations right in the canvas if you're editing or extending an existing image. Better than Stable Diffusion Photoshop plugins I've tried.

SirMaster 3y ago

>Photoshop's generative AI is substantially worse than what I can get from models on Tensorart/CivitAI + an upscaler. But with Photoshops, I can generate things to be seamlessly placed into my existing scene, with it understanding things like placing the wheels of the car it just inserted on the ground, with a shadow underneath and such, again seamlessly integrated with my existing image. It's very much not just about generating an entirely new AI image. Can I do that with Tensorart/CivitAI?

capybara_2020 3y ago
Isn't that just inpanting? Stable Diffusion has had it for a while. Eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1_sq-i_5U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1_sq-i_5U You can do that with any part of the image, this video shows a face sample.
- SirMaster 3y ago
  It might be. https://youtu.be/Sp6K3qpVFO0?t=95 https://youtu.be/Sp6K3qpVFO0?t=95 But at the very least, it seems like it's easier to work with in Photoshop.

pier25 3y ago

I couldn't care less about AI in Photoshop but I'd love AI in Illustrator to generate vector stuff.

jansan 3y ago
AI sucks pretty hard at generating Vectors. The only option for now is to generate something in an illustration style and have it vectorized.
- pier25 3y ago
  There are a couple of AI vectors services out there but the pricing is just silly. https://vectorart.ai/ https://vectorart.ai/ https://www.kittl.com/feature/ai-text-to-vector https://www.kittl.com/feature/ai-text-to-vector
facialwipe 3y ago
Text to Vector appears to be a beta feature in Illustrator currently: https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/text-to-vector-graphic.html https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/text-to-vector-gra...

pantulis 3y ago

Adobe's vision is fully supporting the content lifecycle, not only the creative aspect. In this sense, Figma made far more sense for Experience Cloud rather than what it gives to Creative Cloud.