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Disappointing that the vast majority of top levels here are describing the EU as some sort of totalitarian police state. It does respect rights. Do the people i

Disappointing that the vast majority of top levels here are describing the EU as some sort of totalitarian police state. It does respect rights. Do the people in the USA think that every country should let its citizens act like uneducated armed griefers?

logicchains 3y ago
>EU as some sort of totalitarian police state Because it (or parts of it) were recently trying to ban private online communication, which is exactly what a totalitarian police state does.
- logicchains 3y ago
  To people downvoting the above, you should inform yourselves better: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-violation-privacy-endangering-encryption/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-violation-priv... . The EU Commission has been trying to ban end-to-end encryption, which is functionally equivalent to a ban on private online communication.
logicchains 3y ago
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-violation-privacy-endangering-encryption/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-violation-priv... trying to ban end to end encryption is the opposite of respecting rights.
- dotandgtfo 3y ago
  Chat control was struck down last month and was never going to go through anyways as just having a cursory understanding of technology is enough to understand that banning end to end encryption is infeasible. And chat control being struck down was in part on the grounds of respecting rights around private correspondence so you're just spreading factually wrong information for no good reason.
  - xvector 3y ago
    The fact that it got as far as it did is incredibly problematic and does not paint the EU as an organization that respects rights.
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- immibis 3y ago
  There's the commission and the parliament. The commission comes up with ideas for laws and the parliament says if they're okay or not. If your government is working properly, there should be a small part of it trying to ban encryption, and a part of it trying to keep encryption legal. It's an adversarial system. Encryption will be an unpopular subject here, so let's talk about zoning instead: a small part of the government should be representing builders by trying to make it legal to build anything anywhere, and a small part should be representing land speculators by trying to make it illegal to build anything anywhere.

logicchains 3y ago

>EU as some sort of totalitarian police state Because it (or parts of it) were recently trying to ban private online communication, which is exactly what a totalitarian police state does.

logicchains 3y ago
To people downvoting the above, you should inform yourselves better: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-violation-privacy-endangering-encryption/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-violation-priv... . The EU Commission has been trying to ban end-to-end encryption, which is functionally equivalent to a ban on private online communication.

logicchains 3y ago

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-violation-privacy-endangering-encryption/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-violation-priv... trying to ban end to end encryption is the opposite of respecting rights.

dotandgtfo 3y ago
Chat control was struck down last month and was never going to go through anyways as just having a cursory understanding of technology is enough to understand that banning end to end encryption is infeasible. And chat control being struck down was in part on the grounds of respecting rights around private correspondence so you're just spreading factually wrong information for no good reason.
- xvector 3y ago
  The fact that it got as far as it did is incredibly problematic and does not paint the EU as an organization that respects rights.
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immibis 3y ago
There's the commission and the parliament. The commission comes up with ideas for laws and the parliament says if they're okay or not. If your government is working properly, there should be a small part of it trying to ban encryption, and a part of it trying to keep encryption legal. It's an adversarial system. Encryption will be an unpopular subject here, so let's talk about zoning instead: a small part of the government should be representing builders by trying to make it legal to build anything anywhere, and a small part should be representing land speculators by trying to make it illegal to build anything anywhere.