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I’m really surprised by that price. I live in a top top US state and pay <$0.10/kWh for unlimited electricity and can get down to 7 cents if I sign up for alte

I’m really surprised by that price. I live in a top top US state and pay <$0.10/kWh for unlimited electricity and can get down to 7 cents if I sign up for alternate times and special programs. I used over 1,000kWh last month. I’m trying to figure out if my future is 5x energy prices or there’s just a huge structural difference that makes one country’s energy infrastructure vastly superior.

syntaxing 3y ago
Top top as in north or top top as in expensive? Are you factoring in delivery charges? Cause the average American electric price is 0.163 kWh which is pretty close to what I pay. [1] https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices_selectedareas_table.htm https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices...
- prepend 3y ago
  My price is $0.07/kWh delivered. As in shows on my bill each month. There is a 20% overhead charge, but that’s the price per kWh.
holgerschurig 3y ago
I read a statistics before the COVID pandemic (and Russia's invasion) and that boiled down to two things: * electricity is half as expensive in the USA * but median US households use double the electric power than their european counterparts Reasons are much better housing standards here (much better insulation), and WAY less AC devices. Another reason is of course the higher price, this makes people buy household devices that use less power. Like the european fridge, which hasn't an ice-cube maker by default, so it's insulation isn't artificially broken. Also, european pay more for infrastructure in their power prices, like for the transit lines. If you ever look up hard statistics about power outages (like the SAIDI value, amount of minutes per year per customer without power) you see that the US power grid has been starved to death: more than 240 minutes per year without power. Compare this with about 11 minutes in Germany ... And finally, many european subsidized "green energy" (like Solar) when it was still more expensive than fossil-made electricity. And the subsidy was then paid by all power consumers, not from general taxes. As a result, CO2 emission per electricity customer / household in most of europe is lower than the same value in the USA.

syntaxing 3y ago

Top top as in north or top top as in expensive? Are you factoring in delivery charges? Cause the average American electric price is 0.163 kWh which is pretty close to what I pay. [1] https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices_selectedareas_table.htm https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices...

prepend 3y ago
My price is $0.07/kWh delivered. As in shows on my bill each month. There is a 20% overhead charge, but that’s the price per kWh.

holgerschurig 3y ago

I read a statistics before the COVID pandemic (and Russia's invasion) and that boiled down to two things: * electricity is half as expensive in the USA * but median US households use double the electric power than their european counterparts Reasons are much better housing standards here (much better insulation), and WAY less AC devices. Another reason is of course the higher price, this makes people buy household devices that use less power. Like the european fridge, which hasn't an ice-cube maker by default, so it's insulation isn't artificially broken. Also, european pay more for infrastructure in their power prices, like for the transit lines. If you ever look up hard statistics about power outages (like the SAIDI value, amount of minutes per year per customer without power) you see that the US power grid has been starved to death: more than 240 minutes per year without power. Compare this with about 11 minutes in Germany ... And finally, many european subsidized "green energy" (like Solar) when it was still more expensive than fossil-made electricity. And the subsidy was then paid by all power consumers, not from general taxes. As a result, CO2 emission per electricity customer / household in most of europe is lower than the same value in the USA.