>This is particularly bad for solar because it means the batteries have to be discharged nightly Solar and wind production anticorrelate and electricity usage

>This is particularly bad for solar because it means the batteries have to be discharged nightly Solar and wind production anticorrelate and electricity usage declines at night. If you have a grid with paired wind and solar you are unlikely to be discharging every night. The wind doesnt stop blowing at night. >solar as baseload This a strawman. Nobody says solar can be baseload. They say that you can combine solar + wind + different forms of storage (pumped, hydrogen, battery) with demand shaping to eliminate the need for baseload. Ironically the carbon lobby used to say "let the market decide" back when solar and wind were expensive. They stopped doing that a while back when the economics flipped in favor of green energy. The nuclear lobby and its associated propaganda tries to avoid mentioning costs at all and always did - unless theyre promoting nuclear vaporware. They're gunning for manufacturing consent for subsidies since its the only way theyll survive.