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"Inspirational goal" is a lot of syllables for "lie". Make no mistake, nobody who understands ever thought they could take 100 people in there without freezing

"Inspirational goal" is a lot of syllables for "lie". Make no mistake, nobody who understands ever thought they could take 100 people in there without freezing them. Musk said it because he thought it sounded good, fully aware it is impossible. He also knows there can be no colony. So, every falsehood promoting it is a lie.

panick21_ 3y ago
Re-usability was once a 'lie' Starlink was also 'lie'. Their high launch rate was also consider a 'lie'. 100 people would mean about 10m3 per person. That sounds like more then some prisoners have had in isolation cells. Of course wouldn't be comfortable necessary, and in practice you likely wouldn't do that way. Of course this talks about a situation where there is lots of infrastructure on both sides. No need to bring extra food or equipment. A pure crew ship. Near perfect system of water reuse and so on.It also presupposes some understanding of solar radiation or much better cancer treatment. In addition you can think of a number of ways to expand volume.You can potentially stretch the ship, or widen the ship. You could have inflatable hubs to temporary create extra volume. The earlier version of the ship when that 100 number was first talked about was also much bigger then the current one, the ship designed has changed because they realized lower cost per stack and higher re-usability made more sense. Maybe it would require medically induce sleep (bear style). 100 is of course inspirational and might be off by a factor of 2-4x but to act like this statements are some unforgivable lie is ridiculous. Specially because there is are no contracts signed or promises made, its literally just 'this is our long term goal'. Complaining because a ship can 'only' transport 12 people to FUCKING MARS is just insane to me. And in the end the cost per person is what actually matters, and that is what they are trying to reduce systematically. If you actually listen to Elon that's what he talks about most and what has always been the main driving goal. He talks far more about that in the interviews about this, the actual number he threw out are just estimation, and he makes that very clear. He even makes it clear that they don't know how to get there yet, they literally just working towards it as best as they can. 100 per ship is just one of many estimated numbers. A million people to self sufficiency. 1000 ships operational. Many others. All those numbers might be very wrong and Elon would admit as much. Its not the 'gatcha' you think it is. And notice how you didn't defend your ridiculous 'pump-and-dump' nonsense.
- angiosperm 3y ago
  Liars typically lie for reasons. Some are just pathological, but Musk has visible reasons. He lies a lot, so is seeing which stick and repeating those. Nobody mentioned "dumping". Please do not make things up.

panick21_ 3y ago

Re-usability was once a 'lie' Starlink was also 'lie'. Their high launch rate was also consider a 'lie'. 100 people would mean about 10m3 per person. That sounds like more then some prisoners have had in isolation cells. Of course wouldn't be comfortable necessary, and in practice you likely wouldn't do that way. Of course this talks about a situation where there is lots of infrastructure on both sides. No need to bring extra food or equipment. A pure crew ship. Near perfect system of water reuse and so on.It also presupposes some understanding of solar radiation or much better cancer treatment. In addition you can think of a number of ways to expand volume.You can potentially stretch the ship, or widen the ship. You could have inflatable hubs to temporary create extra volume. The earlier version of the ship when that 100 number was first talked about was also much bigger then the current one, the ship designed has changed because they realized lower cost per stack and higher re-usability made more sense. Maybe it would require medically induce sleep (bear style). 100 is of course inspirational and might be off by a factor of 2-4x but to act like this statements are some unforgivable lie is ridiculous. Specially because there is are no contracts signed or promises made, its literally just 'this is our long term goal'. Complaining because a ship can 'only' transport 12 people to FUCKING MARS is just insane to me. And in the end the cost per person is what actually matters, and that is what they are trying to reduce systematically. If you actually listen to Elon that's what he talks about most and what has always been the main driving goal. He talks far more about that in the interviews about this, the actual number he threw out are just estimation, and he makes that very clear. He even makes it clear that they don't know how to get there yet, they literally just working towards it as best as they can. 100 per ship is just one of many estimated numbers. A million people to self sufficiency. 1000 ships operational. Many others. All those numbers might be very wrong and Elon would admit as much. Its not the 'gatcha' you think it is. And notice how you didn't defend your ridiculous 'pump-and-dump' nonsense.

angiosperm 3y ago
Liars typically lie for reasons. Some are just pathological, but Musk has visible reasons. He lies a lot, so is seeing which stick and repeating those. Nobody mentioned "dumping". Please do not make things up.