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No, anti car. There was recently a pro-car terrorist attack in London. I am not kidding - someome made a bomb and blew up a lamppost with cameras for reading n

No, anti car. There was recently a pro-car terrorist attack in London. I am not kidding - someome made a bomb and blew up a lamppost with cameras for reading number plates. Its hardly been reported. Can you imagine the coverage if the climate protesters blew up a betrol station, or god forbid, if this was something to do with currst conflict in the middle east? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/08/bomb-attack-ulez-camera-grotesquely-irresponsible-london-mayor https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/08/bomb-att... So why anti-wcar? So in inner London, like 40% of households have a car but 90% of public space is roads. When u suggest that maybe the 60% deserve at least 20% of space for walking and cycling, you get labeleled anti car. People complain about having like 8 coherent cycleways across all of london taking up too much road space, compared to thousands of roads. People complain about not being allowed to drive ancient diesel vehicles that kills kids eith astma. Fine then, I am anti-car.

LeanderK 3y ago
same in berlin. Someone blew up repeatedly the same speed measuring tower for cars on a somewhat major road (https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/berlin-charlottenburg-explosion-von-blitzer-am-kurfuerstendamm-li.2167565 https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/berlin-charlottenburg-e...) I am also anti-car, not anti-car everywhere but they just don't belong in cities.
bongodongobob 3y ago
I'm pro practical and pro blow shit up if you have to, but I don't know what your point is. Look at a map. Just zoom around the entire US, that isn't on the coast, and tell me how you're going to get rid of cars.
- Abekkus 3y ago
  You identify the flat, dense, urban spaces fit for car-free living. You build public transit in and between them. You decide on an inner-city answer to delivery and trash trucks, like maybe the robots that move pallets around in warehouses... You build easy ways for people to get in and out of their cars and trucks on the borders of those spaces... You stop letting cars and trucks on to main street. #bollards
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  > tell me how you're going to get rid of cars Easy - make 'Light commercial' use of your house a constitutional right. There, all of USA fixed in one day. Now you can open a coffee shop in your garage, and it cannot be interfered with by zoning laws and mandatory parking minimums. And now your neighbours can sell pizza, and you can walk there and pick it up. And if you have 2 days, allow apartments to be built withing 300 meters of any public transit.
  - bongodongobob 3y ago
    You can't be serious. That's where people park their cars and put their lawnmowers, snowblowers, etc. Good luck getting a garage OKd to sell food by the health department. Not to mention literally no one is going to buy pizza out of someone's garage. Where are you from that you think this is feasible?
    - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
      You are so stuck in your mindset you cannot even imagine that life in different across the globe. Britain people sell food from their house kitchen, on Deliveroo and Uber eats. Registration is really easy. Obviously I meant that you build a real pizza oven in your garage, and park your car elsewhere https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-your-home https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-bu...
      - bongodongobob 3y ago
        But that's my point, I feel like you can't imagine life elsewhere in the US. Someone having a pizza place in suburbia, in their garage is: A: Impractical. That's where your car goes. There's no where else to park it. Park it elsewhere, what? B: Not suitable for serving food. C: Completely ignoring the social norms of the area/culture. D: It's not dense enough for that to make sense. People will have to drive there for the business to survive unless all 100 people living in that 1 mile radius eat pizza every day. E: It's simply not big enough. F: Therefore, weather. No one is walking to an outdoor garage pizza place with no seating in the winter. They're not driving either. Look up Oshkosh, WI on Google maps and tell me where these customers are going to come from. There is enough commercial. There aren't enough people. Most of the country is very sparsely populated. The 100k cities have kind of a city core, but they are spread out over 400 sq miles. The rest is nothingness. Your idea requires completely resigning zoning laws against literally everyone's will, somehow adding parking for everyone's cars, and what, adding more busses that already don't get used?
westmeal 3y ago
> someome made a bomb and blew up a lamppost with cameras for reading number plates. Good.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  Brb, gonna set a petrochemical refinery on fire. Surely we aren't going to be hypocrites about it and designate political attacks on infrastructure as terrorism?
  - westmeal 3y ago
    A petrochemical refinery is infrastructure, speed cameras are just another way of stealing money from you under the guise of safety.
    - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
      The petrochemical refinery is stealing clean air and years of life from me and thousands of others.
Abekkus 3y ago
I recently heard cars described as "an insect-like exo-skeleton for people, who then feel free to act more like insects than citizens while they're inside of it"

LeanderK 3y ago

same in berlin. Someone blew up repeatedly the same speed measuring tower for cars on a somewhat major road (https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/berlin-charlottenburg-explosion-von-blitzer-am-kurfuerstendamm-li.2167565 https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/berlin-charlottenburg-e...) I am also anti-car, not anti-car everywhere but they just don't belong in cities.

bongodongobob 3y ago

I'm pro practical and pro blow shit up if you have to, but I don't know what your point is. Look at a map. Just zoom around the entire US, that isn't on the coast, and tell me how you're going to get rid of cars.

Abekkus 3y ago
You identify the flat, dense, urban spaces fit for car-free living. You build public transit in and between them. You decide on an inner-city answer to delivery and trash trucks, like maybe the robots that move pallets around in warehouses... You build easy ways for people to get in and out of their cars and trucks on the borders of those spaces... You stop letting cars and trucks on to main street. #bollards
ClumsyPilot 3y ago
> tell me how you're going to get rid of cars Easy - make 'Light commercial' use of your house a constitutional right. There, all of USA fixed in one day. Now you can open a coffee shop in your garage, and it cannot be interfered with by zoning laws and mandatory parking minimums. And now your neighbours can sell pizza, and you can walk there and pick it up. And if you have 2 days, allow apartments to be built withing 300 meters of any public transit.
- bongodongobob 3y ago
  You can't be serious. That's where people park their cars and put their lawnmowers, snowblowers, etc. Good luck getting a garage OKd to sell food by the health department. Not to mention literally no one is going to buy pizza out of someone's garage. Where are you from that you think this is feasible?
  - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
    You are so stuck in your mindset you cannot even imagine that life in different across the globe. Britain people sell food from their house kitchen, on Deliveroo and Uber eats. Registration is really easy. Obviously I meant that you build a real pizza oven in your garage, and park your car elsewhere https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-business-from-your-home https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/starting-a-food-bu...
    - bongodongobob 3y ago
      But that's my point, I feel like you can't imagine life elsewhere in the US. Someone having a pizza place in suburbia, in their garage is: A: Impractical. That's where your car goes. There's no where else to park it. Park it elsewhere, what? B: Not suitable for serving food. C: Completely ignoring the social norms of the area/culture. D: It's not dense enough for that to make sense. People will have to drive there for the business to survive unless all 100 people living in that 1 mile radius eat pizza every day. E: It's simply not big enough. F: Therefore, weather. No one is walking to an outdoor garage pizza place with no seating in the winter. They're not driving either. Look up Oshkosh, WI on Google maps and tell me where these customers are going to come from. There is enough commercial. There aren't enough people. Most of the country is very sparsely populated. The 100k cities have kind of a city core, but they are spread out over 400 sq miles. The rest is nothingness. Your idea requires completely resigning zoning laws against literally everyone's will, somehow adding parking for everyone's cars, and what, adding more busses that already don't get used?

westmeal 3y ago

> someome made a bomb and blew up a lamppost with cameras for reading number plates. Good.

ClumsyPilot 3y ago
Brb, gonna set a petrochemical refinery on fire. Surely we aren't going to be hypocrites about it and designate political attacks on infrastructure as terrorism?
- westmeal 3y ago
  A petrochemical refinery is infrastructure, speed cameras are just another way of stealing money from you under the guise of safety.
  - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
    The petrochemical refinery is stealing clean air and years of life from me and thousands of others.

Abekkus 3y ago

I recently heard cars described as "an insect-like exo-skeleton for people, who then feel free to act more like insects than citizens while they're inside of it"