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Frameworks are largely why I have abandoned doing JavaScript work professionally after more than 15 years. It’s not a question of technology problems but of soc

Frameworks are largely why I have abandoned doing JavaScript work professionally after more than 15 years. It’s not a question of technology problems but of social problems. It’s fashion for the unprepared and religion for the truly incompetent. I got tired of working with that. Many developers dependent upon frameworks have an extreme fear of original code because they cannot actually program even though that’s their job. This results in some horrid immature behavior. My key realization to move on is a complete loss of understanding the work from the people performing the work. It becomes clear when I would advocate an opinion and the people doing work are utterly incapable of hearing it. This isn’t disagreement, which is healthy, because disagreement takes your thoughts into consideration and balances them against opposing interests. When people stop hearing an opinion outright they have no idea what the opinion is, what it means, and how to articulate a response. When this occurs it’s time to move on because you have moved outside their narrow field of perspective.

trommlp 3y ago
I agree to some extent on it being a social problem. But I am not sure that developers are to blame outright. What seems to be unpreparedness or incompetence might just be the result of desperately trying to produce something from incomplete information. That is sometimes the people that request the product are just as bad in communicating what the result should be and it might even change half-way through the process. Its hardly surprising that the result is "horrid". So the root of the "social problem" could be anywhere really. That being said there are definitely cases (as in your last paragraph) where you cannot seem to agree with other developers because your understanding of what makes a developer is just so radically different and you keep talking past each other. I would be surprised if that was not the case in every other conceivable profession, though.

trommlp 3y ago

I agree to some extent on it being a social problem. But I am not sure that developers are to blame outright. What seems to be unpreparedness or incompetence might just be the result of desperately trying to produce something from incomplete information. That is sometimes the people that request the product are just as bad in communicating what the result should be and it might even change half-way through the process. Its hardly surprising that the result is "horrid". So the root of the "social problem" could be anywhere really. That being said there are definitely cases (as in your last paragraph) where you cannot seem to agree with other developers because your understanding of what makes a developer is just so radically different and you keep talking past each other. I would be surprised if that was not the case in every other conceivable profession, though.