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Germany Ends Electric Vehicle Subsidies Abruptly in Latest Blow to Tesla

12 points by the-dude 3y ago

_fizz_buzz_ 3y ago
This is not specifically about Tesla. The government really didn’t want to, but there is something similar to the debt ceiling in Germany and they were trying to pass part of the budget by sidestepping this through a covid emergency fund that was repurposed. However the opposition launched a case at the constitutional court and they decided it was unconstitutional. So, now a lot of programs get canceled because there is no funding in the budget.
tomalbrc 3y ago
This is parody right? This has nothing to do with tesla
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  This is just the (clickbaity) headline. "a blow for Tesla (TSLA), Volkswagen (VWAGY), BMW (BMWYY), Stellantis (STLA) and more."
  - razemio 3y ago
    I am sorry, but this can no longer be considered clickbait. This headline is just criminal.
- hef19898 3y ago
  No, the reason is a rulong by Germanys Verfassungsgericht (you might call it Germany's supreme court) making the repurposing of soke Covid related funds, which where used and planned to be used for various other things, illegal. Now the government is left with some significant budget shortages, cutting the EV subsidies is just one of the resulting saving actions.
Semaphor 3y ago
Some background: in 2009 the debt brake [0] was enacted, limiting the budget deficit to 0.35% of the GDP. The current government tried to circumvent it (most economists seem to see the law as stupid, but that might well be my bubble), our constitutional court ruled the circumvention illegal, and now they had scramble and see how to make the budget work under those new constraints. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_brake_(Germany) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_brake_(Germany)
- snowpid 3y ago
  "most economists seem to see the law as stupid, but that might well be my bubble" It is definitely your bubble. Be more humble.
  - Semaphor 3y ago
    Unlike you, I am.
arlcode 3y ago
There is absolutely no connection to Tesla. The Subsidies were ended because parts of the federal 2023 budget were declared unconstitutional by the federal constitutional court and the government had to scrap parts of it. That included the electric vehicle subsidy for all cars from all manufacturers. I'll wager that this will hit the Germans harder than Tesla.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  It does seem like a misleading headline. Do you know if there's any analysis online of what parts of the budget were scrapped?
  - arlcode 3y ago
    I think others already answered it pretty well. AFAIK many parts of the budget ,which are not required by law, are affected. A lot of subsidy in all possible areas.
palemoonale 3y ago
YES! Finally! Already wasted millions for similar shit ("Abwrackprämie").
thiago_fm 3y ago
It isn't even the German government's fault. It's the fact that they were using a Covid budget to pay for those programs because they are struggling to pass any new investment budgets in the parliament. The current German government is having difficulties raising money, despite Germany having a low debt-to-GDP ratio, because the coalition is up against CDU's (former chancellor Merkel's party) and other more conservative parties, they don't want to let the new coalition do anything. Germany is going into a deadlock because of that political fight, and extreme right-wing parties are growing everyday, as Germany drowns into a recession with an industry that needs those incentives badly, in order to compete with Tesla and Chinese carmakers. If you want to see what destruction of value is, just watch CDU sink Germany.
altals2023 3y ago
Future is BYD. Hotcakes everywhere. Their battery tech make Tesla look amateur. As for self driving, yeah Tesla is more advanced, but then I am still waiting for that 5th gen AI thing and not being declared by government unsafe recently. Tesla is solyndra in the making....convince me otherwise.

12 points by the-dude 3y ago

This is not specifically about Tesla. The government really didn’t want to, but there is something similar to the debt ceiling in Germany and they were trying to pass part of the budget by sidestepping this through a covid emergency fund that was repurposed. However the opposition launched a case at the constitutional court and they decided it was unconstitutional. So, now a lot of programs get canceled because there is no funding in the budget.

tomalbrc 3y ago

This is parody right? This has nothing to do with tesla

hutzlibu 3y ago
This is just the (clickbaity) headline. "a blow for Tesla (TSLA), Volkswagen (VWAGY), BMW (BMWYY), Stellantis (STLA) and more."
- razemio 3y ago
  I am sorry, but this can no longer be considered clickbait. This headline is just criminal.
hef19898 3y ago
No, the reason is a rulong by Germanys Verfassungsgericht (you might call it Germany's supreme court) making the repurposing of soke Covid related funds, which where used and planned to be used for various other things, illegal. Now the government is left with some significant budget shortages, cutting the EV subsidies is just one of the resulting saving actions.

Semaphor 3y ago

Some background: in 2009 the debt brake [0] was enacted, limiting the budget deficit to 0.35% of the GDP. The current government tried to circumvent it (most economists seem to see the law as stupid, but that might well be my bubble), our constitutional court ruled the circumvention illegal, and now they had scramble and see how to make the budget work under those new constraints. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_brake_(Germany) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_brake_(Germany)

snowpid 3y ago
"most economists seem to see the law as stupid, but that might well be my bubble" It is definitely your bubble. Be more humble.
- Semaphor 3y ago
  Unlike you, I am.

arlcode 3y ago

There is absolutely no connection to Tesla. The Subsidies were ended because parts of the federal 2023 budget were declared unconstitutional by the federal constitutional court and the government had to scrap parts of it. That included the electric vehicle subsidy for all cars from all manufacturers. I'll wager that this will hit the Germans harder than Tesla.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
It does seem like a misleading headline. Do you know if there's any analysis online of what parts of the budget were scrapped?
- arlcode 3y ago
  I think others already answered it pretty well. AFAIK many parts of the budget ,which are not required by law, are affected. A lot of subsidy in all possible areas.

palemoonale 3y ago

YES! Finally! Already wasted millions for similar shit ("Abwrackprämie").

thiago_fm 3y ago

It isn't even the German government's fault. It's the fact that they were using a Covid budget to pay for those programs because they are struggling to pass any new investment budgets in the parliament. The current German government is having difficulties raising money, despite Germany having a low debt-to-GDP ratio, because the coalition is up against CDU's (former chancellor Merkel's party) and other more conservative parties, they don't want to let the new coalition do anything. Germany is going into a deadlock because of that political fight, and extreme right-wing parties are growing everyday, as Germany drowns into a recession with an industry that needs those incentives badly, in order to compete with Tesla and Chinese carmakers. If you want to see what destruction of value is, just watch CDU sink Germany.

altals2023 3y ago

Future is BYD. Hotcakes everywhere. Their battery tech make Tesla look amateur. As for self driving, yeah Tesla is more advanced, but then I am still waiting for that 5th gen AI thing and not being declared by government unsafe recently. Tesla is solyndra in the making....convince me otherwise.