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What I find most striking is that people with very rudimentary training are allowed to use machinery of 1.5 tons and more, in public, in the vicinity of unprote

by Ma8ee 3y ago

What I find most striking is that people with very rudimentary training are allowed to use machinery of 1.5 tons and more, in public, in the vicinity of unprotected bystanders. This leads to about 43,000 deaths per year in the US alone. And for some reason this is considered normal.

atoav 3y ago
In the meantime you have safety trainings for how to use a ladder properly in your org. Don't get me wrong, work accidents do happen with ladders, and training/inspection can prevent them, but the risk stemming from ladders doesn't compare to cars. The way society accepts risks tells a lot about that society.
- Ma8ee 3y ago
  If cars weren’t so ubiquitous otherwise in society, it would probably require several months of training to be licensed to drive a car in the workplace. And then you wouldn’t be allowed to drive faster than 15 mph except in special fenced in areas.
  - atoav 3y ago
    I mean I got my driving license in a country where the fast way of doing it takes 6 months and includes driving on a test pad where multiple dangerous situations are simulated: - a wet road and you drive over a "moveable" section of road and as soon as your front wheels are over it jerks the rear wheels randomly to either the left and the right ans you need to recover - a course that you drive through and randomly a wall of water emerges from holes in the street and you need to safely stop or avoid the obstacle (this teaches you about the safe stopping distance and problems that can emerge when you suddenly try to avoid things) with and without ESP - driving too fast around curves on purpose - trying to do similar things while multitasking in the vehicle to demonstrate how bad that influences your performance I don't know what the level needed is in the US (I grew up in Austria), but even with that training I still feel cars are taken not seriously enough.
    - blitzar 3y ago
      > what the level needed is in the US Collect 4 barcodes from boxes of cereal.
    - giantg2 3y ago
      The level in the US is a written test on a subset of the rules, usually 6 months of mentored driving (need something like 50 hours with another licensed adult in the car), and a test that involves basically driving around the block and parallel parking. It sounds like a joke but it's true. Even most optional courses like driver's education generally don't put you on a skid pad or anything like you mention. I assume it's largely due to liability and lawyers - ironically they consider that type of training to be too dangerous even though you'll encounter more dangerous situations on the road and be unprepared for them. The best thing I have found for this type of training is autocross (tire rack presents a special defensive driver course related to some autoX clubs too). Then snow/skid pad it's just finding a deserted parking lot cover in snow and ice for some low-speed recovery practice.
ubercore 3y ago
As someone that first learned to drive in the US, getting my license in Norway was pretty eye opening.

by Ma8ee 3y ago

atoav 3y ago

In the meantime you have safety trainings for how to use a ladder properly in your org. Don't get me wrong, work accidents do happen with ladders, and training/inspection can prevent them, but the risk stemming from ladders doesn't compare to cars. The way society accepts risks tells a lot about that society.

Ma8ee 3y ago
If cars weren’t so ubiquitous otherwise in society, it would probably require several months of training to be licensed to drive a car in the workplace. And then you wouldn’t be allowed to drive faster than 15 mph except in special fenced in areas.
- atoav 3y ago
  I mean I got my driving license in a country where the fast way of doing it takes 6 months and includes driving on a test pad where multiple dangerous situations are simulated: - a wet road and you drive over a "moveable" section of road and as soon as your front wheels are over it jerks the rear wheels randomly to either the left and the right ans you need to recover - a course that you drive through and randomly a wall of water emerges from holes in the street and you need to safely stop or avoid the obstacle (this teaches you about the safe stopping distance and problems that can emerge when you suddenly try to avoid things) with and without ESP - driving too fast around curves on purpose - trying to do similar things while multitasking in the vehicle to demonstrate how bad that influences your performance I don't know what the level needed is in the US (I grew up in Austria), but even with that training I still feel cars are taken not seriously enough.
  - blitzar 3y ago
    > what the level needed is in the US Collect 4 barcodes from boxes of cereal.
  - giantg2 3y ago
    The level in the US is a written test on a subset of the rules, usually 6 months of mentored driving (need something like 50 hours with another licensed adult in the car), and a test that involves basically driving around the block and parallel parking. It sounds like a joke but it's true. Even most optional courses like driver's education generally don't put you on a skid pad or anything like you mention. I assume it's largely due to liability and lawyers - ironically they consider that type of training to be too dangerous even though you'll encounter more dangerous situations on the road and be unprepared for them. The best thing I have found for this type of training is autocross (tire rack presents a special defensive driver course related to some autoX clubs too). Then snow/skid pad it's just finding a deserted parking lot cover in snow and ice for some low-speed recovery practice.

ubercore 3y ago

As someone that first learned to drive in the US, getting my license in Norway was pretty eye opening.