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Yeah, but also, nah. You can regulate cars and get 90% to a level society can deal with happily. But then you get a hoon in a performance vehicle doing a burnou

Yeah, but also, nah. You can regulate cars and get 90% to a level society can deal with happily. But then you get a hoon in a performance vehicle doing a burnout in suburbia, and the police twin engine helicopter thrumming overhead tracking them down. Or the neighbours who enjoy Vietnamese karaoke, or the neighbours having a domestic on the street. These aren't the most fun aspects of living in a community (unless you get invited for the karaoke!); but they benefit from ambient noise cancellation.

Doxin 3y ago
I feel like you're underestimating how loud cars in regular use are. On my walk over to the supermarket I basically have to shout if I want to have a conversation. No one is driving especially loudly and in fact the problem is mostly tire noise.
- spockz 3y ago
  Where do you live? When I was still living in the city we could talk outside at a slightly raised voice when walking or biking. You had to speak in the direction of the other person obviously. Only sometimes at something like a gas station you have to really raise your voice.
  - Doxin 3y ago
    > Where do you live? The Netherlands > When I was still living in the city we could talk outside at a slightly raised voice when walking or biking. True for most parts of the city I live in too, but that's mostly because in most parts of the city there's either no cars or very slow cars or only one car within hearing distance at a time. As soon as you're walking along a busy road where the speed limit is 50km/h it starts getting loud. It's quite possible there's some cultural influence here too. Dutch people don't tend to speak especially loudly when compared to e.g. Americans.
- serf 3y ago
  are you walking along a high-speed interstate? I live in LA and the vehicle noise is negligible on any walk to anywhere compared to the low roar of the sounds of living otherwise -- unless you happen to get some muffler-less asshole driving his shitbox next to you; but that same rule applies just about anywhere. I guess it could be a benefit of the low speed LA traffic? Personally anytime i'm near traffic the stuff that bugs me is exhaust and brake/clutch dust. Nothing like a hot semi truck parking next to you in traffic after a long downhill stretch to cool his brakes and douse you in friction-material fumes while he waits for the light to turn green.
  - Doxin 3y ago
    > are you walking along a high-speed interstate? No, and in fact doing that here WILL get you picked up by the cops. > I guess it could be a benefit of the low speed LA traffic? Oh yeah lower speed traffic is much less bad for sure. But I'm still talking about a slowish speed limit here: 50km/h > Personally anytime i'm near traffic the stuff that bugs me is exhaust and brake/clutch dust. Nothing like a hot semi truck parking next to you in traffic after a long downhill stretch to cool his brakes I am blessed to not live near any hills and have cars subjected to frequent emissions checks. Still, can't tell you enough how much more I like the electric buses they use nowadays over the diesel monsters they had previously.
hackerlight 3y ago
Appealing to the slippery slope is such a cop-out. Screw that. All most people want is common sense regulations on the top 0.5% loudest vehicles which produce incredible amounts of noise pollution and disrupt normal life.

Doxin 3y ago

I feel like you're underestimating how loud cars in regular use are. On my walk over to the supermarket I basically have to shout if I want to have a conversation. No one is driving especially loudly and in fact the problem is mostly tire noise.

spockz 3y ago
Where do you live? When I was still living in the city we could talk outside at a slightly raised voice when walking or biking. You had to speak in the direction of the other person obviously. Only sometimes at something like a gas station you have to really raise your voice.
- Doxin 3y ago
  > Where do you live? The Netherlands > When I was still living in the city we could talk outside at a slightly raised voice when walking or biking. True for most parts of the city I live in too, but that's mostly because in most parts of the city there's either no cars or very slow cars or only one car within hearing distance at a time. As soon as you're walking along a busy road where the speed limit is 50km/h it starts getting loud. It's quite possible there's some cultural influence here too. Dutch people don't tend to speak especially loudly when compared to e.g. Americans.
serf 3y ago
are you walking along a high-speed interstate? I live in LA and the vehicle noise is negligible on any walk to anywhere compared to the low roar of the sounds of living otherwise -- unless you happen to get some muffler-less asshole driving his shitbox next to you; but that same rule applies just about anywhere. I guess it could be a benefit of the low speed LA traffic? Personally anytime i'm near traffic the stuff that bugs me is exhaust and brake/clutch dust. Nothing like a hot semi truck parking next to you in traffic after a long downhill stretch to cool his brakes and douse you in friction-material fumes while he waits for the light to turn green.
- Doxin 3y ago
  > are you walking along a high-speed interstate? No, and in fact doing that here WILL get you picked up by the cops. > I guess it could be a benefit of the low speed LA traffic? Oh yeah lower speed traffic is much less bad for sure. But I'm still talking about a slowish speed limit here: 50km/h > Personally anytime i'm near traffic the stuff that bugs me is exhaust and brake/clutch dust. Nothing like a hot semi truck parking next to you in traffic after a long downhill stretch to cool his brakes I am blessed to not live near any hills and have cars subjected to frequent emissions checks. Still, can't tell you enough how much more I like the electric buses they use nowadays over the diesel monsters they had previously.

hackerlight 3y ago

Appealing to the slippery slope is such a cop-out. Screw that. All most people want is common sense regulations on the top 0.5% loudest vehicles which produce incredible amounts of noise pollution and disrupt normal life.