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What's your point? I don't mean that to sound snarky, I'm genuinely asking.

kcplate 3y ago
My point is there seems to be a tendency among people to hold other people to higher standards than they do themselves. Everybody is a hypocrite to some degree or another. People pointing out that speck of sawdust in Elon’s eye is ignoring the plank in their own eye.
- root_axis 3y ago
  > Everybody is a hypocrite to some degree or another So what? If we grant that everyone is a hypocrite, are we to then conclude that all critiques of hypocrisy are unfounded or unworthy? If that's not what you're saying, then what is your criteria for excusing hypocrisy vs condemning it?
  - kcplate 3y ago
    I just find it ironic that a bunch of folks who occasionally act like assholes online are critical of someone who occasionally acts like an asshole online.
    - root_axis 3y ago
      Huh? What does that have to do with the topic we're discussing? Do you have an explanation for why you believe critiques of hypocrisy should be dismissed? I'm getting the sense that you're just personally a fan of Elon, which is fine, but not really a substantive contribution to the discussion.
      - kcplate 3y ago
        If you knew a pastor who was having an affair on his wife would you accept a sermon from him condemning the adultery of another…even if everything he said was true? Or perhaps would you tune out that message because you can’t get past the noise from his hypocrisy on the subject? It’s just hard to hear anything worthwhile due to all the noise.
        root_axis 3y ago
        If the pastor initiated a loud campaign openly castigating the previous pastor for his egregious acts of infidelity, and proclaimed that under his stewardship of the church he would foster a renewed culture of unmitigated faithfulness, then, after taking over the church, immediately started leveraging his position of authority to sleep with a variety parishioners, I think most people would react strongly to that brazen level of hypocrisy.
        kcplate 3y ago
        Then you obviously understand my point as to why I don’t feel that criticism of hypocrisy by hypocrites should be taken seriously.

My point is there seems to be a tendency among people to hold other people to higher standards than they do themselves. Everybody is a hypocrite to some degree or another. People pointing out that speck of sawdust in Elon’s eye is ignoring the plank in their own eye.

root_axis 3y ago
> Everybody is a hypocrite to some degree or another So what? If we grant that everyone is a hypocrite, are we to then conclude that all critiques of hypocrisy are unfounded or unworthy? If that's not what you're saying, then what is your criteria for excusing hypocrisy vs condemning it?
- kcplate 3y ago
  I just find it ironic that a bunch of folks who occasionally act like assholes online are critical of someone who occasionally acts like an asshole online.
  - root_axis 3y ago
    Huh? What does that have to do with the topic we're discussing? Do you have an explanation for why you believe critiques of hypocrisy should be dismissed? I'm getting the sense that you're just personally a fan of Elon, which is fine, but not really a substantive contribution to the discussion.
    - kcplate 3y ago
      If you knew a pastor who was having an affair on his wife would you accept a sermon from him condemning the adultery of another…even if everything he said was true? Or perhaps would you tune out that message because you can’t get past the noise from his hypocrisy on the subject? It’s just hard to hear anything worthwhile due to all the noise.
      - root_axis 3y ago
        If the pastor initiated a loud campaign openly castigating the previous pastor for his egregious acts of infidelity, and proclaimed that under his stewardship of the church he would foster a renewed culture of unmitigated faithfulness, then, after taking over the church, immediately started leveraging his position of authority to sleep with a variety parishioners, I think most people would react strongly to that brazen level of hypocrisy.
        kcplate 3y ago
        Then you obviously understand my point as to why I don’t feel that criticism of hypocrisy by hypocrites should be taken seriously.