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And so it is with consciousness. People place mysticism on consciousness because the idea that we are simply matter capable of knowing it is matter is disturbi

And so it is with consciousness. People place mysticism on consciousness because the idea that we are simply matter capable of knowing it is matter is disturbing. Season 1 of WestWorld used Anthony Hopkins to make this point well.

zeristor 3y ago
A sentient Ship of Theseus?
deadbabe 3y ago
Yes!! :D
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
Not really. Your stance is something that people take when they don't understand the Hard Problem of consciousness. They don't try to understand hard problem of consciousness and just try to strawman the whole thing down by tying it to mysticism. Physicists like Penrose are not morons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness I seriously doubt Westworld writers were aware of the hard problem of consciousness.
- willis936 3y ago
  >Your stance is something that people take when they don't understand the Hard Problem of consciousness. Do you also think the 30% of philosophers who also have this stance simply don't understand it? The only one calling anyone a moron here is you, and I don't think anyone involved in this discussion actually is. It's a cheap trick to discredit an opinion you disagree with.
  - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
    Maybe you should reread your first comment? > Do you also think the 30% of philosophers who also have this stance simply don't understand it? Almost none of those philosophers accuse proponents of the hard problem of consciousness with dabbling in mysticism. > The only one calling anyone a moron here is you, and I don't think anyone involved in this discussion actually is. It's a cheap trick to discredit an opinion you disagree with. You equated people that find consciousness hard with people being scared of the conclusions. You are essentially saying that those people are not intellectually strong as you.

zeristor 3y ago

A sentient Ship of Theseus?

deadbabe 3y ago

Yes!! :D

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

Not really. Your stance is something that people take when they don't understand the Hard Problem of consciousness. They don't try to understand hard problem of consciousness and just try to strawman the whole thing down by tying it to mysticism. Physicists like Penrose are not morons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness I seriously doubt Westworld writers were aware of the hard problem of consciousness.

willis936 3y ago
>Your stance is something that people take when they don't understand the Hard Problem of consciousness. Do you also think the 30% of philosophers who also have this stance simply don't understand it? The only one calling anyone a moron here is you, and I don't think anyone involved in this discussion actually is. It's a cheap trick to discredit an opinion you disagree with.
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  Maybe you should reread your first comment? > Do you also think the 30% of philosophers who also have this stance simply don't understand it? Almost none of those philosophers accuse proponents of the hard problem of consciousness with dabbling in mysticism. > The only one calling anyone a moron here is you, and I don't think anyone involved in this discussion actually is. It's a cheap trick to discredit an opinion you disagree with. You equated people that find consciousness hard with people being scared of the conclusions. You are essentially saying that those people are not intellectually strong as you.