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Might be good to mention that Qatar Airways are the same airline being sued by multiple women after being subjected to invasive body searches: https://www.theg

by koyote 3y ago

Might be good to mention that Qatar Airways are the same airline being sued by multiple women after being subjected to invasive body searches: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/21/australian-women-sue-qatar-airways-over-forced-examinations-at-doha-airport https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/21/austr...

resolutebat 3y ago
Somewhat oddly, since as far as I understand it the searches were conducted by security staff at Qatar's Doha airport, not Qatar Airlines personnel. (Admittedly a fine line, since Doha is 99% Qatar Airlines.)
- burkaman 3y ago
  Qatar Airways also runs the airport (https://www.qatarairways.com/en/about-qatar-airways/group-companies.html https://www.qatarairways.com/en/about-qatar-airways/group-co...)
  - resolutebat 3y ago
    And the government owns Qatar Airways, so it's all intertwingled. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL6N0NR1KA/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL6N0NR1KA/
- anakaine 3y ago
  I was fortunate enough to have some time discussing this incident with one of the Qatar Airways media personnel this year. It was done by local authorities and the airline didn't get a say. The airline and the cou try have lost my business forever because of the incident. We have had 4 trips of 6 people where this is one of the main stops on a possible route, and I've actively avoided booking that route because I don't believe in su jecting the women of my family to the particular injustices I believe were committed here. I also believe the local authority figures who completed this search were later fired.
CamelCaseName 3y ago
Oh. Oh no. > Women on 10 flights, including five Australians who were on a Sydney-bound Qatar Airways flight, were removed from planes at gunpoint and taken into ambulances on the tarmac. > Some were instructed to remove their underwear and some were forced to submit to invasive gynaecological examinations for evidence they had recently given birth. /// My original comment is above, as many replies indicate, I did not include the context, which is: > women on planes on the ground at Doha, including 13 Australians, were subjected to the examinations as authorities searched for the mother of a newborn baby found abandoned in a plastic bag in the departures lounge at Hamad international airport. I apologize for not providing the full context.
- userbinator 3y ago
  I think it's also important to give the context, for those like me who just saw your comment and were wondering why exactly they would even think of doing that: > On 2 October 2020, women on planes on the ground at Doha, including 13 Australians, were subjected to the examinations as authorities searched for the mother of a newborn baby found abandoned in a plastic bag in the departures lounge at Hamad international airport.
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    If only there were any less invasive way to determine biological relationship between a mother and a newborn. (It's not even obvious that I do or should support DNA testing for this, but if there were only two options, I'd sure as hell support that over forced gynecological examination of all women of potential child-bearing age.)
    - megablast 3y ago
      Is dna testing instant?
      - sokoloff 3y ago
        Does it need to be in this case? Does the (real or perceived) need for immediacy justify the incredible level of invasiveness of this mass surveillance?
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by koyote 3y ago

resolutebat 3y ago

Somewhat oddly, since as far as I understand it the searches were conducted by security staff at Qatar's Doha airport, not Qatar Airlines personnel. (Admittedly a fine line, since Doha is 99% Qatar Airlines.)

burkaman 3y ago
Qatar Airways also runs the airport (https://www.qatarairways.com/en/about-qatar-airways/group-companies.html https://www.qatarairways.com/en/about-qatar-airways/group-co...)
- resolutebat 3y ago
  And the government owns Qatar Airways, so it's all intertwingled. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL6N0NR1KA/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL6N0NR1KA/
anakaine 3y ago
I was fortunate enough to have some time discussing this incident with one of the Qatar Airways media personnel this year. It was done by local authorities and the airline didn't get a say. The airline and the cou try have lost my business forever because of the incident. We have had 4 trips of 6 people where this is one of the main stops on a possible route, and I've actively avoided booking that route because I don't believe in su jecting the women of my family to the particular injustices I believe were committed here. I also believe the local authority figures who completed this search were later fired.

CamelCaseName 3y ago

Oh. Oh no. > Women on 10 flights, including five Australians who were on a Sydney-bound Qatar Airways flight, were removed from planes at gunpoint and taken into ambulances on the tarmac. > Some were instructed to remove their underwear and some were forced to submit to invasive gynaecological examinations for evidence they had recently given birth. /// My original comment is above, as many replies indicate, I did not include the context, which is: > women on planes on the ground at Doha, including 13 Australians, were subjected to the examinations as authorities searched for the mother of a newborn baby found abandoned in a plastic bag in the departures lounge at Hamad international airport. I apologize for not providing the full context.

userbinator 3y ago
I think it's also important to give the context, for those like me who just saw your comment and were wondering why exactly they would even think of doing that: > On 2 October 2020, women on planes on the ground at Doha, including 13 Australians, were subjected to the examinations as authorities searched for the mother of a newborn baby found abandoned in a plastic bag in the departures lounge at Hamad international airport.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  If only there were any less invasive way to determine biological relationship between a mother and a newborn. (It's not even obvious that I do or should support DNA testing for this, but if there were only two options, I'd sure as hell support that over forced gynecological examination of all women of potential child-bearing age.)
  - megablast 3y ago
    Is dna testing instant?
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      Does it need to be in this case? Does the (real or perceived) need for immediacy justify the incredible level of invasiveness of this mass surveillance?

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