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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the type of person who uses invidious is going to ever be convinced to buy something from an ad on YouTube, especially

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the type of person who uses invidious is going to ever be convinced to buy something from an ad on YouTube, especially if they're forced to use it. Secondly, imo technical measures is fair game - much better than their previously scummy tactic of sending legal threats to the stellar team at invidious. Thirdly, adversarial interoperability is a human digital right. Fourthly, godspeed to the invidious team, their hard work and story is important for the wider internet.

stqism 3y ago
While you’re probably right, this isn’t super relevant. From Google’s perspective, they just want to auction off the advertising slot and get that view, the actual click through rate on that ad is a secondary issue.
snailmailman 3y ago
So many of the ads I see on youtube aren’t even products - they are scams. The ad will be a clip of a celebrity with what’s clearly a separate ai-generated voiceover telling you “you can get thousands of dollars now if you do this one thing.” I’ve seen the same style of ad nearly every day for the last month. The celebrity changes every time I see it and has had so many people. Oprah, The Rock, Steve Harvey, Joe Biden, etc. I’ve reported the ads every time. They are always different companies from different countries. If YouTube is doing anything about it- it isn’t working. And then YouTube is trying to stop me from blocking these ads? They can try. But I refuse to pay for premium.
asfdgionio 3y ago
>Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the type of person who uses invidious is going to ever be convinced to buy something from an ad on YouTube, especially if they're forced to use it. One of the reasons I block advertising is that I think it works. I'm only human. I can be deceived and I can be manipulated. I don't see any reason to give people the opportunity to hurt me.
kazinator 3y ago
> I don't think the type of person who uses invidious is going to ever be convinced to buy something from an ad on YouTube. That user is using YouTube resources, without being of benefit to YouTube.
- smashah 3y ago
  I subscribe to YT premium and sometimes like to use invidious so you're actually wrong.
  - kazinator 3y ago
    I don't think there is an easy technical way (even if there were a will) to make an exception for Invidious users who have Youtube subscriptions. Invidious doesn't even use the Youtube subscription model in the first place. I'm guessing it's the instances that are blocked, not individual users using those instances. The hypothesis that Youtube Premium subscribers might be using any given Invidious instance, so it's a bad idea to block it, is rather weak.
    - calamari4065 3y ago
      Generate an API key for premium users, add auth-only API to pull videos, user pastes key into their client of choice. Even easier, one click oauth to automagically give the key to the client. It's trivial.
      - smashah 3y ago
        Yep, I think people have amnesia about the last 10 years where our API rights have slowly but surely been taken away and have a lack of imagination for solutions so fallback to authoritarian narratives. API key so premium users can use invidious makes total sense - it makes creator revenue attribution more accurate also. As a paying user to any service I should have the right to interop with whatever client or third party service I want.
- AlchemistCamp 3y ago

stqism 3y ago

While you’re probably right, this isn’t super relevant. From Google’s perspective, they just want to auction off the advertising slot and get that view, the actual click through rate on that ad is a secondary issue.

snailmailman 3y ago

So many of the ads I see on youtube aren’t even products - they are scams. The ad will be a clip of a celebrity with what’s clearly a separate ai-generated voiceover telling you “you can get thousands of dollars now if you do this one thing.” I’ve seen the same style of ad nearly every day for the last month. The celebrity changes every time I see it and has had so many people. Oprah, The Rock, Steve Harvey, Joe Biden, etc. I’ve reported the ads every time. They are always different companies from different countries. If YouTube is doing anything about it- it isn’t working. And then YouTube is trying to stop me from blocking these ads? They can try. But I refuse to pay for premium.

asfdgionio 3y ago

>Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the type of person who uses invidious is going to ever be convinced to buy something from an ad on YouTube, especially if they're forced to use it. One of the reasons I block advertising is that I think it works. I'm only human. I can be deceived and I can be manipulated. I don't see any reason to give people the opportunity to hurt me.

kazinator 3y ago

> I don't think the type of person who uses invidious is going to ever be convinced to buy something from an ad on YouTube. That user is using YouTube resources, without being of benefit to YouTube.

smashah 3y ago
I subscribe to YT premium and sometimes like to use invidious so you're actually wrong.
- kazinator 3y ago
  I don't think there is an easy technical way (even if there were a will) to make an exception for Invidious users who have Youtube subscriptions. Invidious doesn't even use the Youtube subscription model in the first place. I'm guessing it's the instances that are blocked, not individual users using those instances. The hypothesis that Youtube Premium subscribers might be using any given Invidious instance, so it's a bad idea to block it, is rather weak.
  - calamari4065 3y ago
    Generate an API key for premium users, add auth-only API to pull videos, user pastes key into their client of choice. Even easier, one click oauth to automagically give the key to the client. It's trivial.
    - smashah 3y ago
      Yep, I think people have amnesia about the last 10 years where our API rights have slowly but surely been taken away and have a lack of imagination for solutions so fallback to authoritarian narratives. API key so premium users can use invidious makes total sense - it makes creator revenue attribution more accurate also. As a paying user to any service I should have the right to interop with whatever client or third party service I want.
AlchemistCamp 3y ago