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I think America has entered a post labor world in which manual labor is getting harder, lower paid, and lowered value. Labor will always be needed, but there ar
by underseacables 3y ago
I think America has entered a post labor world in which manual labor is getting harder, lower paid, and lowered value. Labor will always be needed, but there are less and will be even fewer of those jobs to go around. As more low income, low education laborers proliferate, it will get increasingly hard for others to get a job in that market.
- earthnail 3y agoBy this logic - and I’m not saying you’re wrong - a good strategy for low education workers would be to try and limit the supply and thus limit low education immigration. Which would explain current American (and most of western Europe’s) politics and its right wing culture rather well, and indicate that low education workers make rather rational voting decisions. Happy to hear other analyses :).
- xrd 3y agoI really wanted to down vote your comment based on my own reactions to it, but I can't fault your conclusions.
- TeMPOraL 3y agoYeah, the problem with political discourse these days is assuming that the "other side" is irrational. Vast majority of people have beliefs that are at least defensible if you take care to look into their individual situation. They may be globally irrational, but they are usually locally rational (in the algorithmic sense of "global"/"local", not geographical). (If in doubt, the reason for any widespread and stable set of beliefs is usually economical in nature.)
- brayhite 3y agoI’ve not heard anyone call them irrational for voting to protect their job access. The irrational takes regarding immigration IMO are the ones suggesting immigrants are a unique source of increased crime, despite data analysis suggesting otherwise.
- naasking 3y ago> in which manual labor is getting harder, lower paid, and lowered value I think the trades are paid more than ever, and they're scarcer than ever. I'm not sure this will change anytime soon. AI is likely to make a respectable dent in knowledge work.
- timschmidt 3y agoAs soon as AI is embodied, via Boston Dynamics or Tesla or any of a number of other players, it will take a big bite out of the skilled trades as well.
- naasking 3y agoI don't think that will happen nearly as soon as there AI automation. Navigating intelligently through 3D space with arbitrary obstacles has always proven the more challenging of AI tasks.
- timschmidt 3y agoDisagree. Boston Dynamics has had locomotion solved for a decade. Vision systems have advanced significantly, as well as the human language interface. Both seem to have held back industrial robotics use since widespread deployment of the technology on auto assembly lines. These days, asking the computer to recognize a coffee mug on a dining table is no big deal.
- doubleg72 3y agoYeah, good luck getting a robot to plumb or wire an entire house anytime soon.
- timschmidt 3y agoGreat example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias
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