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You're really looking at this at a surface level. Instead of production style consider: consent (was that person in a good state to make decisions), main topic

You're really looking at this at a surface level. Instead of production style consider: consent (was that person in a good state to make decisions), main topic (this is addiction in general -vs- look at this addicted person), amount of context (did you learn about anything beyond "this person is addicted"). Production style has next to nothing to do with whether it's journalism.

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fuzzybear3965 3y ago
> consent This is not, and should not be, an important factor in journalistic reporting. Often, the most valuable stories are those which would never receive consent by the relevant parties. > Addiction in general vs. the individual I don't understand. We should treat the problem as a statistical one without a personal human element? Absolutely not. Plenty of reports abound on statistics, already. A garish front-line perspective could be exactly what saves some kid from walking down that path in the future and what motivates some community activists or politicians to effect meaningful changes in their community.
- viraptor 3y ago
  Consent of the victim. I don't care if someone doesn't consent to getting their crimes exposed. But if you started filming body damage the drug did to random people without asking them for consent, that would be a really shitty thing, even if informative in some way. > We should treat the problem as a statistical one without a personal human element? No, we shouldn't concentrate on specific people. This shouldn't be poverty porn. "There's an issue, here's an affected person who agreed to talk to us about it, here's more about the issue" - great personal element! "Look at this affected person, and this one, and this one, and this one, the end" - no, that's not reporting about the issue itself.
  - next_xibalba 3y ago
    Doing drugs in public is a crime in most places. So the victims are, in fact, all of us (including the TikTokers doing the filming).
    - lokar 3y ago
      When I see chronic drug users suffering in public I don’t feel victimized, I feel empathy.
      - chucksta 3y ago
        What about all the non-addicted people trying to live their lives in those communities? What do you feel for them?
        lokar 3y ago
        Also empathy. The situation is a societal problem, the individuals are not really at fault.
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      - GauntletWizard 3y ago
        What you feel is disgust; you just have so little empathy that you can't tell the difference.
    - AlexandrB 3y ago
      > In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.
  - fuzzybear3965 3y ago
    As far as I can tell, the concern is regarding drug users. As an ex-user and as an ex-homeless person drug use is a choice. Every recovered addict will tell you the same thing. I'd conjecture there's as much victimization in the drug game as there is in the casino game. I don't care if someone is filmed pulling slots or buying lottery tickets in public. If someone's in a public space airing self-inflicted diseases and are filmed in an impaired state then being documented is payment for the price of poor decisions. There's no expectation of privacy in public. Absolutely we should focus on individuals. This isn't pornography (for pleasure). It's a crisis. And, just like Palestine or Ukraine or Darfur, it should be documented and individual's experiences should be broadcasted. Hiding the problem isn't going to fix anything. Treating it like a class thing isn't going to fix anything - this issue crosses race and class. It's a human problem and requires human-human interactions.
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Druggie will consent to all things money? Everyone has a price, and the consent can thus be bought.

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fuzzybear3965 3y ago

> consent This is not, and should not be, an important factor in journalistic reporting. Often, the most valuable stories are those which would never receive consent by the relevant parties. > Addiction in general vs. the individual I don't understand. We should treat the problem as a statistical one without a personal human element? Absolutely not. Plenty of reports abound on statistics, already. A garish front-line perspective could be exactly what saves some kid from walking down that path in the future and what motivates some community activists or politicians to effect meaningful changes in their community.

viraptor 3y ago
Consent of the victim. I don't care if someone doesn't consent to getting their crimes exposed. But if you started filming body damage the drug did to random people without asking them for consent, that would be a really shitty thing, even if informative in some way. > We should treat the problem as a statistical one without a personal human element? No, we shouldn't concentrate on specific people. This shouldn't be poverty porn. "There's an issue, here's an affected person who agreed to talk to us about it, here's more about the issue" - great personal element! "Look at this affected person, and this one, and this one, and this one, the end" - no, that's not reporting about the issue itself.
- next_xibalba 3y ago
  Doing drugs in public is a crime in most places. So the victims are, in fact, all of us (including the TikTokers doing the filming).
  - lokar 3y ago
    When I see chronic drug users suffering in public I don’t feel victimized, I feel empathy.
    - chucksta 3y ago
      What about all the non-addicted people trying to live their lives in those communities? What do you feel for them?
      - lokar 3y ago
        Also empathy. The situation is a societal problem, the individuals are not really at fault.
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    - GauntletWizard 3y ago
      What you feel is disgust; you just have so little empathy that you can't tell the difference.
  - AlexandrB 3y ago
    > In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.
- fuzzybear3965 3y ago
  As far as I can tell, the concern is regarding drug users. As an ex-user and as an ex-homeless person drug use is a choice. Every recovered addict will tell you the same thing. I'd conjecture there's as much victimization in the drug game as there is in the casino game. I don't care if someone is filmed pulling slots or buying lottery tickets in public. If someone's in a public space airing self-inflicted diseases and are filmed in an impaired state then being documented is payment for the price of poor decisions. There's no expectation of privacy in public. Absolutely we should focus on individuals. This isn't pornography (for pleasure). It's a crisis. And, just like Palestine or Ukraine or Darfur, it should be documented and individual's experiences should be broadcasted. Hiding the problem isn't going to fix anything. Treating it like a class thing isn't going to fix anything - this issue crosses race and class. It's a human problem and requires human-human interactions.

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Druggie will consent to all things money? Everyone has a price, and the consent can thus be bought.