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I love rap, and I've found many gems in Russian and French rap. These 2 scenes are extremely innovative! > I especially love the music coming out of Mali, Sen

by csdvrx 3y ago

I love rap, and I've found many gems in Russian and French rap. These 2 scenes are extremely innovative! > I especially love the music coming out of Mali, Senegal and Algeria (Rai, anyone?). Yes please! Can I ask you for more suggestions, even besides Rai? In the old school, I love Magic System (Gaou), and for current hits, Aye Nakamura EDIT: I can't understand why this comment is downvoted, except maybe for political reasons: > French should be proud that their language and culture are being spread and transformed by the French speaking nations in Africa Apparently, they're angry about that!

thierrydamiba 3y ago
Woah, did not expect to see a Magic System fan when I opened up HN today. I was living in the Ivory Coast when Premier Gauo came out. I love their music and it brought back some good memories. Thank you!
- csdvrx 3y ago
  If you have some current hits you can recommend, I'd love to get recommendations from another Magic System fan! In return I can suggest artists like Slava Marlow, or places like zaycev.net to get a nice curated experience without involving youtube: just click on the play button at the bottom of the screen: currently I'm listening to Subbota (Дым бомбим)
  - thierrydamiba 3y ago
    I havent listened to French music ever since I moved to the states, so unfortunately I don’t have any tunes to share. I’ll have to give your recommendations a listen. Thanks for sharing!
- seszett 3y ago
  > Woah, did not expect to see a Magic System fan when I opened up HN today. Maybe "fan" is a bit too strong but I'd say any French speaking person, at least in France and Belgium, growing up in the 90/2000s, knows Premier Gaou and can sing a bit of it. It was very popular.
  - thierrydamiba 3y ago
    Interesting, I didn’t realize the song spread to France! We used to listen to a lot of I Am. I guess the world was more connected even back then than I realized.
dang 3y ago
I think the downvotes are because of the snark/swipe in "You're finding this out now?". That kind of thing is against the site guidelines - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - not just "Don't be snarky" and "Edit out swipes", but also "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." The point of the OP is not surprise that this is happening (obviously language evolves in this way), but curiosity about how it is happening. It's a pity because the rest of the comment is fine.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  > It's a pity because the rest of the comment is fine. It's indeed sad because it offered a nice general argument: cultures interates on what they produce, in a feedback loop. It produces wonderful new creations. So it shouldn't be a surprise, both for language and for music. I care more about the music part, because I've found some gems where I didn't expect them. It's taught me to keep my eyes (and my ears lol) open for the wonderful new creations that are all around us, but that we may miss.
sesm 3y ago
Gems in Russian rap? As a native speaker I’m genuinely surprised
- csdvrx 3y ago
  > Gems in Russian rap? YES: the music and the rythms are great but the visual composition (scenery, etc) is even more wonderful: in Cadillac the drone shots then the rotations with the slow blends of racing games ending the nostril are very unique. The visuals in rap are rarely that creative > As a native speaker I’m genuinely surprised Do you find surprising I also like the social critique from IC3PEAK (Смерти Больше Нет) or моргенштерн (Aristocrat)? (but he's lost some of his magic since he moved) If you do, give me better recommendations!
  - sesm 3y ago
    I can't recommend anything, I just think that the language itself is not suitable for rap (long words, etc) and you have to butcher the language to make it usable for the genre. There is a reason why Detsl (the first successful Russian rapper) switched to English in his latest tracks.
- Mizza 3y ago
  I always liked this version of Hustlin.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzuM-uZtfYQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzuM-uZtfYQ
- thriftwy 3y ago
  For all the critique that can be, Oxxxymiron is, like, the last big name in Russian music.
  - csdvrx 3y ago
    Лига Опасного Интернета was nice but Morgenshtern caught my eye again with ЧЕРНЫЙ РУССКИЙ (ПОЙДЕТ was boring) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK7CIj-_uBk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK7CIj-_uBk
prmoustache 3y ago
> Apparently, they're angry about that! I think this is a gross generalization.
severine 3y ago
You're gonna love La Cliqua! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Cliqua https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Cliqua Check the 1999 eponymous album, full of bangers. edit, just in case: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mmKENGKgnhXwE7CZUw2SmkHyJEym4vQsI https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mmKENGKgnhXwE7...
- csdvrx 3y ago
  Thanks! I just checked a few of the songs on https://www.supraphonline.cz/album/50244-entre-deux-mondes https://www.supraphonline.cz/album/50244-entre-deux-mondes (the 1999 album isn't on suprphon) there's some good beat but it's not very complex music-wise. I'll try to find the 1999 album and check it too. In terms of unique French music, I've recently found La Petite Culotte - La Goffa Lolita https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmjCLbFkT5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmjCLbFkT5w Given the musical composition (stanza, vocals, etc.) I hesitate to call that rap. It's different from say Baby or Djadja by Nakamura, she's often categorized in Afrobeat but I would absolutely group them together in their style: I don't know how to name it (French Fusion?), but I love it!
mytailorisrich 3y ago
For those learning French I would strongly advise against learning/copying too much from singers like Aya Nakamura. At least do be aware of the kind of language this is. Otherwise it'd be like learning English with Easy E before a business trip to a London law firm.

by csdvrx 3y ago

thierrydamiba 3y ago

Woah, did not expect to see a Magic System fan when I opened up HN today. I was living in the Ivory Coast when Premier Gauo came out. I love their music and it brought back some good memories. Thank you!

csdvrx 3y ago
If you have some current hits you can recommend, I'd love to get recommendations from another Magic System fan! In return I can suggest artists like Slava Marlow, or places like zaycev.net to get a nice curated experience without involving youtube: just click on the play button at the bottom of the screen: currently I'm listening to Subbota (Дым бомбим)
- thierrydamiba 3y ago
  I havent listened to French music ever since I moved to the states, so unfortunately I don’t have any tunes to share. I’ll have to give your recommendations a listen. Thanks for sharing!
seszett 3y ago
> Woah, did not expect to see a Magic System fan when I opened up HN today. Maybe "fan" is a bit too strong but I'd say any French speaking person, at least in France and Belgium, growing up in the 90/2000s, knows Premier Gaou and can sing a bit of it. It was very popular.
- thierrydamiba 3y ago
  Interesting, I didn’t realize the song spread to France! We used to listen to a lot of I Am. I guess the world was more connected even back then than I realized.

dang 3y ago

I think the downvotes are because of the snark/swipe in "You're finding this out now?". That kind of thing is against the site guidelines - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - not just "Don't be snarky" and "Edit out swipes", but also "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." The point of the OP is not surprise that this is happening (obviously language evolves in this way), but curiosity about how it is happening. It's a pity because the rest of the comment is fine.

csdvrx 3y ago
> It's a pity because the rest of the comment is fine. It's indeed sad because it offered a nice general argument: cultures interates on what they produce, in a feedback loop. It produces wonderful new creations. So it shouldn't be a surprise, both for language and for music. I care more about the music part, because I've found some gems where I didn't expect them. It's taught me to keep my eyes (and my ears lol) open for the wonderful new creations that are all around us, but that we may miss.

sesm 3y ago

Gems in Russian rap? As a native speaker I’m genuinely surprised

csdvrx 3y ago
> Gems in Russian rap? YES: the music and the rythms are great but the visual composition (scenery, etc) is even more wonderful: in Cadillac the drone shots then the rotations with the slow blends of racing games ending the nostril are very unique. The visuals in rap are rarely that creative > As a native speaker I’m genuinely surprised Do you find surprising I also like the social critique from IC3PEAK (Смерти Больше Нет) or моргенштерн (Aristocrat)? (but he's lost some of his magic since he moved) If you do, give me better recommendations!
- sesm 3y ago
  I can't recommend anything, I just think that the language itself is not suitable for rap (long words, etc) and you have to butcher the language to make it usable for the genre. There is a reason why Detsl (the first successful Russian rapper) switched to English in his latest tracks.
Mizza 3y ago
I always liked this version of Hustlin.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzuM-uZtfYQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzuM-uZtfYQ
thriftwy 3y ago
For all the critique that can be, Oxxxymiron is, like, the last big name in Russian music.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  Лига Опасного Интернета was nice but Morgenshtern caught my eye again with ЧЕРНЫЙ РУССКИЙ (ПОЙДЕТ was boring) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK7CIj-_uBk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK7CIj-_uBk

prmoustache 3y ago

> Apparently, they're angry about that! I think this is a gross generalization.

severine 3y ago

You're gonna love La Cliqua! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Cliqua https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Cliqua Check the 1999 eponymous album, full of bangers. edit, just in case: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mmKENGKgnhXwE7CZUw2SmkHyJEym4vQsI https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mmKENGKgnhXwE7...

csdvrx 3y ago
Thanks! I just checked a few of the songs on https://www.supraphonline.cz/album/50244-entre-deux-mondes https://www.supraphonline.cz/album/50244-entre-deux-mondes (the 1999 album isn't on suprphon) there's some good beat but it's not very complex music-wise. I'll try to find the 1999 album and check it too. In terms of unique French music, I've recently found La Petite Culotte - La Goffa Lolita https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmjCLbFkT5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmjCLbFkT5w Given the musical composition (stanza, vocals, etc.) I hesitate to call that rap. It's different from say Baby or Djadja by Nakamura, she's often categorized in Afrobeat but I would absolutely group them together in their style: I don't know how to name it (French Fusion?), but I love it!

mytailorisrich 3y ago

For those learning French I would strongly advise against learning/copying too much from singers like Aya Nakamura. At least do be aware of the kind of language this is. Otherwise it'd be like learning English with Easy E before a business trip to a London law firm.