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At least six babies were killed; that's mass murder. It was done in cold blood, planned out ahead of time. The death penalty was the only fitting sentence.

Hackbraten 3y ago
The death penalty is never a fitting sentence. Prosecutors and judges can make mistakes. Executing someone is something you can never undo.
- devilbunny 3y ago
  There are plenty of crimes that deserve death. We don’t impose it because we’re unsure about culpability. But if you did it, you do indeed deserve to die.
  - jdietrich 3y ago
    >There are plenty of crimes that deserve death. In your opinion. In the opinion of many others, there is no crime that deserves death, hence the widespread abolition of the death penalty in developed countries. We used to execute people for stealing cattle and I imagine that many people at the time though that it was an entirely right and proper punishment. A jurisdiction that uses the death penalty with any real frequency will at some point inevitably execute an innocent man. What is the appropriate punishment for those who supported the laws that caused his death?
    - devilbunny 3y ago
      I don’t support it because it’s irrevocable, but that’s the reason to oppose it. Some crimes do deserve it, even if we don’t impose it every time.
serf 3y ago
i'll get behind the death penalty once we get that 100% accurate justice system i've been waiting on. until then i'll just view it as a tool of the government to sate public bloodlust with regards to heinous crimes with the very thing they seek to punish : murder. the very embodiment of "well, that's the best we can do." when confronted with the idea of correcting the loss of a life -- two losses to make the original victim feel less alone. Not a great correction.
jdietrich 3y ago
>that's mass murder. Unless you can show that someone adulterated the product with the specific intent of causing death, it isn't. Causing someone to die through negligence, recklessness or indifference is manslaughter, not murder.
- lupusreal 3y ago
  They knew what they were doing would kill people and did it anyway with that knowledge. The fact that their motivation was profit instead of the deaths doesn't make it not murder. If I intend to enrich myself my taking all the money in an armored car and the deaths of the security guards I'll have to shoot my way through is just some side effect to me, not my intent by neither my concern, that's still murder.

Hackbraten 3y ago

The death penalty is never a fitting sentence. Prosecutors and judges can make mistakes. Executing someone is something you can never undo.

devilbunny 3y ago
There are plenty of crimes that deserve death. We don’t impose it because we’re unsure about culpability. But if you did it, you do indeed deserve to die.
- jdietrich 3y ago
  >There are plenty of crimes that deserve death. In your opinion. In the opinion of many others, there is no crime that deserves death, hence the widespread abolition of the death penalty in developed countries. We used to execute people for stealing cattle and I imagine that many people at the time though that it was an entirely right and proper punishment. A jurisdiction that uses the death penalty with any real frequency will at some point inevitably execute an innocent man. What is the appropriate punishment for those who supported the laws that caused his death?
  - devilbunny 3y ago
    I don’t support it because it’s irrevocable, but that’s the reason to oppose it. Some crimes do deserve it, even if we don’t impose it every time.

serf 3y ago

i'll get behind the death penalty once we get that 100% accurate justice system i've been waiting on. until then i'll just view it as a tool of the government to sate public bloodlust with regards to heinous crimes with the very thing they seek to punish : murder. the very embodiment of "well, that's the best we can do." when confronted with the idea of correcting the loss of a life -- two losses to make the original victim feel less alone. Not a great correction.

jdietrich 3y ago

>that's mass murder. Unless you can show that someone adulterated the product with the specific intent of causing death, it isn't. Causing someone to die through negligence, recklessness or indifference is manslaughter, not murder.

lupusreal 3y ago
They knew what they were doing would kill people and did it anyway with that knowledge. The fact that their motivation was profit instead of the deaths doesn't make it not murder. If I intend to enrich myself my taking all the money in an armored car and the deaths of the security guards I'll have to shoot my way through is just some side effect to me, not my intent by neither my concern, that's still murder.