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This was my first reaction as well, but after thinking about it more I wonder why my brain went to “these people need to stop” instead of “we should address wha

by madrox 3y ago

This was my first reaction as well, but after thinking about it more I wonder why my brain went to “these people need to stop” instead of “we should address what they’re filming.” Maybe because the problem feels unsolvable and difficult to assign blame, but it’s easy to blame tiktokers. There’s probably some fallacy in here somewhere.

mschuster91 3y ago
> I wonder why my brain went to “these people need to stop” instead of “we should address what they’re filming.” IMHO we should go for both at the same time. In a society that deems itself developed, there should not be homeless people shooting up drugs on the street, and in a society that deems itself civilized, there should not be internet-randoms filming and publicly showing people who are clearly suffering. The latter should be left to actual journalists who at least usually take care about some basic privacy-preserving mechanisms (e.g. blurring faces and identifiable tattoos).
- parentheses 3y ago
  Any content creator can treat their subjects with respect. These ones do not. While I agree that this is bad, I feel like we as a society have allowed the divergence of journalism and integrity. Anyone can proclaim themselves a journalist and that enables this. There's a complex issue at play here - the evolution of media and laws that have lagged behind. Laws should be doing something to address the reach of this type of media and the integrity of their creators.
dotnet00 3y ago
I think it's pretty straightforward, everyone knows those people need help, the government also likely has programs aiming to try to resolve the issue. On the other hand, these "tranq tourists" are just causing more trouble for the sake of social media clout.
- adolph 3y ago
  > "tranq tourists" are just causing more trouble What trouble do tranq tourists cause?
  - dotnet00 3y ago
    They're showing up and paying people to be filmed shooting up, thus encouraging the shooting up further. People high on the drug are being recorded being asked highly personal things when in a state where they cannot properly consent, thus likely only exacerbating the issues that caused them to rely on drugs by adding more embarassment. Plus, since it's being done for clout, like many other TikTok trends, it'll continue to escalate in extremeness until something more drastic happens.
    - adolph 3y ago
      So the trouble tranq tourists cause is: * encouraging tranq use by paying users of tranq * adding embarrassment to users of tranq It seems like paying someone else to take an illegal substance is as prosecutable as purchasing the drug yourself, maybe even more if the person paid is not able to consent. I wonder why the municipality is not arresting people for this activity. Interestingly: Tranq is not a federally controlled substance. That means it’s not deemed illegal to use by itself under federal law. You can get it with a veterinarian’s prescription. https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/what-is-tranq-xylazine https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/what-is-tranq-...
      - zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
        I'm eating a bagel while I type this. Whether or not you pay to record me eating a bagel won't change how much bagel eating I'm doing. You're not forcing me. You're paying me to do something I was already doing.
        ornornor 3y ago
        Good that neither a bagel nor tranqs are addictive and that the user is totally in control with both products.
haswell 3y ago
The same questions have been explored at length by photographers for decades. To me, it boils down to the intent of the person holding the camera. If the intent is to get views and grow the channel, it’s awful behavior. Documentary photos/videos are a real thing, but documentarians also focus on respecting their subjects, and this feels like anything but that.
- nox100 3y ago
  Documentaries often have agendas that are at odds with their subject. If you can't show drug users in their worst light should you also not be able to show politicians in their worst light?
  - haswell 3y ago
    I don’t see how the two are related. Different situations, different ethical considerations and expectations.
    - nox100 3y ago
      It's a response to this claim > documentarians also focus on respecting their subjects plenty of documentarians do no such thing. In fact they make documentaries specific because they don't respect their subject.

by madrox 3y ago

mschuster91 3y ago

> I wonder why my brain went to “these people need to stop” instead of “we should address what they’re filming.” IMHO we should go for both at the same time. In a society that deems itself developed, there should not be homeless people shooting up drugs on the street, and in a society that deems itself civilized, there should not be internet-randoms filming and publicly showing people who are clearly suffering. The latter should be left to actual journalists who at least usually take care about some basic privacy-preserving mechanisms (e.g. blurring faces and identifiable tattoos).

parentheses 3y ago
Any content creator can treat their subjects with respect. These ones do not. While I agree that this is bad, I feel like we as a society have allowed the divergence of journalism and integrity. Anyone can proclaim themselves a journalist and that enables this. There's a complex issue at play here - the evolution of media and laws that have lagged behind. Laws should be doing something to address the reach of this type of media and the integrity of their creators.

dotnet00 3y ago

I think it's pretty straightforward, everyone knows those people need help, the government also likely has programs aiming to try to resolve the issue. On the other hand, these "tranq tourists" are just causing more trouble for the sake of social media clout.

adolph 3y ago
> "tranq tourists" are just causing more trouble What trouble do tranq tourists cause?
- dotnet00 3y ago
  They're showing up and paying people to be filmed shooting up, thus encouraging the shooting up further. People high on the drug are being recorded being asked highly personal things when in a state where they cannot properly consent, thus likely only exacerbating the issues that caused them to rely on drugs by adding more embarassment. Plus, since it's being done for clout, like many other TikTok trends, it'll continue to escalate in extremeness until something more drastic happens.
  - adolph 3y ago
    So the trouble tranq tourists cause is: * encouraging tranq use by paying users of tranq * adding embarrassment to users of tranq It seems like paying someone else to take an illegal substance is as prosecutable as purchasing the drug yourself, maybe even more if the person paid is not able to consent. I wonder why the municipality is not arresting people for this activity. Interestingly: Tranq is not a federally controlled substance. That means it’s not deemed illegal to use by itself under federal law. You can get it with a veterinarian’s prescription. https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/what-is-tranq-xylazine https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/what-is-tranq-...
    - zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
      I'm eating a bagel while I type this. Whether or not you pay to record me eating a bagel won't change how much bagel eating I'm doing. You're not forcing me. You're paying me to do something I was already doing.
      - ornornor 3y ago
        Good that neither a bagel nor tranqs are addictive and that the user is totally in control with both products.

haswell 3y ago

The same questions have been explored at length by photographers for decades. To me, it boils down to the intent of the person holding the camera. If the intent is to get views and grow the channel, it’s awful behavior. Documentary photos/videos are a real thing, but documentarians also focus on respecting their subjects, and this feels like anything but that.

nox100 3y ago
Documentaries often have agendas that are at odds with their subject. If you can't show drug users in their worst light should you also not be able to show politicians in their worst light?
- haswell 3y ago
  I don’t see how the two are related. Different situations, different ethical considerations and expectations.
  - nox100 3y ago
    It's a response to this claim > documentarians also focus on respecting their subjects plenty of documentarians do no such thing. In fact they make documentaries specific because they don't respect their subject.