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God, this is so dehumanizing. When I think about the places such a thing can possibly happen, I think of North America and third world countries.

coffeebeqn 3y ago
I read the title as Philippines at first but Philadelphia makes sadly even more sense. I haven’t really seen a drug/homeless problem as bad as major North American cities anywhere else
- HKH2 3y ago
  It's almost as if escapism can't be cured by condoning it.
next_xibalba 3y ago
It is far more dehumanizing to be so hopelessly addicted to drugs that you’ve lost all ability to support yourself and are shooting up in public. The filming of it is a secondary and far more minor indignity.
- Xelynega 3y ago
  Do you think drug addiction is a choice rather than a situation? How do you feel about the same thing being done to homeless encampments where you don't have the easy excuse of "those people deserve it"?
  - 4death4 3y ago
    We (as a society) consider addicts personally responsible for their actions. For instance, if an alcoholic drives drunk and kills someone, we don't say "oh they're an alcoholic and therefore not responsible for what happened." Whether or not you want to call it a choice is up to you.
    - anonzzzies 3y ago
      But we, as a society, are hypocrites. There are people (anecdotally I think a lot or even a majority), who, when asked, would say that alcohol is not a drug. Simply using the law (alcohol is legal), they will say it cannot be a drug as drugs are illegal or subscribed. This is, of course, non sense. The other point is that many dui’s and accidents do not happen to alcoholics but rather casual users of alcohol, like students having a drink, no idea what their limits are and getting into a car. That’s different from actual alcoholics who down half a liter of vodka just to get out of bed. I believe they should be treated differently; the latter is ill, the former is a criminal. Addiction is a disease but society is not kind to the sufferers. It will change though; before the 90s, most mental illness was just ‘don’t whine, walk it off’. Doctors in 80s would send people with anxiety or depression home with a clean bill of health and just ‘work hard, it’ll pass’. If they were women and the doctors men, it would be considered as female hysterics. This all changed quite a bit over the past decades, at least in the west. Addiction will get there and in some countries that is going faster than others. Any actual Addicts (alcohol or crack or TikTok) operating heavy machinery is a bad idea; functional addicts are just not easy to recognise. An ex colleague of mine is a functional alcohol who drinks exactly 2.5 liters of vodka per day ; he doesn’t drive, he is smart, he functions fully. Not many people know he is an addict. I would say it’s easier to recognise addicts to social media far faster than him because you can see their phone, and when I see them driving while scrolling on their phone, I hope they get a dui and their license taken and then therapy; I am not sure how it’s not as dangerous as driving drunk and yet I see people swerving sitting on their phone daily while swerving without phone is very rare (at least here).
      - 4death4 3y ago
        I don’t think you can automatically classify addiction as disease. It can be a disease, but it can also be a compulsion that a “sufferer” chooses to partake in. There is an implicit assumption in your argument that all drug addicts would choose to stop if they weren’t addicted. In my experience, that isn’t true. Many drug users like to use drugs and would not stop using given the choice. For a more benign example: I “suffer” from dermatophagia. It’s a compulsion that would be very hard for me to stop. But I like doing it. I wouldn’t stop even if I could. This is similar to how addiction is a compulsion, but that doesn’t make the behavior something done unwillingly.

coffeebeqn 3y ago

I read the title as Philippines at first but Philadelphia makes sadly even more sense. I haven’t really seen a drug/homeless problem as bad as major North American cities anywhere else

HKH2 3y ago
It's almost as if escapism can't be cured by condoning it.

next_xibalba 3y ago

It is far more dehumanizing to be so hopelessly addicted to drugs that you’ve lost all ability to support yourself and are shooting up in public. The filming of it is a secondary and far more minor indignity.

Xelynega 3y ago
Do you think drug addiction is a choice rather than a situation? How do you feel about the same thing being done to homeless encampments where you don't have the easy excuse of "those people deserve it"?
- 4death4 3y ago
  We (as a society) consider addicts personally responsible for their actions. For instance, if an alcoholic drives drunk and kills someone, we don't say "oh they're an alcoholic and therefore not responsible for what happened." Whether or not you want to call it a choice is up to you.
  - anonzzzies 3y ago
    But we, as a society, are hypocrites. There are people (anecdotally I think a lot or even a majority), who, when asked, would say that alcohol is not a drug. Simply using the law (alcohol is legal), they will say it cannot be a drug as drugs are illegal or subscribed. This is, of course, non sense. The other point is that many dui’s and accidents do not happen to alcoholics but rather casual users of alcohol, like students having a drink, no idea what their limits are and getting into a car. That’s different from actual alcoholics who down half a liter of vodka just to get out of bed. I believe they should be treated differently; the latter is ill, the former is a criminal. Addiction is a disease but society is not kind to the sufferers. It will change though; before the 90s, most mental illness was just ‘don’t whine, walk it off’. Doctors in 80s would send people with anxiety or depression home with a clean bill of health and just ‘work hard, it’ll pass’. If they were women and the doctors men, it would be considered as female hysterics. This all changed quite a bit over the past decades, at least in the west. Addiction will get there and in some countries that is going faster than others. Any actual Addicts (alcohol or crack or TikTok) operating heavy machinery is a bad idea; functional addicts are just not easy to recognise. An ex colleague of mine is a functional alcohol who drinks exactly 2.5 liters of vodka per day ; he doesn’t drive, he is smart, he functions fully. Not many people know he is an addict. I would say it’s easier to recognise addicts to social media far faster than him because you can see their phone, and when I see them driving while scrolling on their phone, I hope they get a dui and their license taken and then therapy; I am not sure how it’s not as dangerous as driving drunk and yet I see people swerving sitting on their phone daily while swerving without phone is very rare (at least here).
    - 4death4 3y ago
      I don’t think you can automatically classify addiction as disease. It can be a disease, but it can also be a compulsion that a “sufferer” chooses to partake in. There is an implicit assumption in your argument that all drug addicts would choose to stop if they weren’t addicted. In my experience, that isn’t true. Many drug users like to use drugs and would not stop using given the choice. For a more benign example: I “suffer” from dermatophagia. It’s a compulsion that would be very hard for me to stop. But I like doing it. I wouldn’t stop even if I could. This is similar to how addiction is a compulsion, but that doesn’t make the behavior something done unwillingly.