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This sort of populist bullshit is part of the problem we’re dealing with.

by 9dev 3y ago

keybored 3y ago
Populism out of nowhere. Thanks for proving again that it’s just devolved into being a mindless smear.
- 9dev 3y ago
  If calling the Israel of 2023 an Apartheid state isn’t populist, then what is..?
  - keybored 3y ago
    Okay, then I’m curious. What does that statement have to do with (something like) “the belief that the elites and the common people are in political opposition”?
    - 9dev 3y ago
      Turns out, the first line of the Wikipedia article isn’t overly helpful. Populism refers to providing simple solutions for complex problems; throwing all nuance over board, in favour of just faulting „them“; using big, powerful words that pick out and vastly exaggerate a single aspect of a situation to sway readers into your own perspective; or put simply, populism means convincing simple minds by giving them an easy explanation that something is wrong because someone else did something bad. Claiming Israel is an Apartheid state does a giant disservice to those that actually suffered during the Apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians living in Israel, everyone in Israel that supports intercultural relations, and everyone else that might be interested in achieving piece. All you do is sow hate.
      - keybored 3y ago
        > Turns out, the first line of the Wikipedia article isn’t overly helpful. Why did you have to resort to looking it up on Wikipedia? You seemed confident in your proclamation. > Populism refers to providing simple solutions for complex problems; throwing all nuance over board, in favour of just faulting „them“; using big, powerful words that pick out and vastly exaggerate a single aspect of a situation to sway readers into your own perspective; or put simply, populism means convincing simple minds by giving them an easy explanation that something is wrong because someone else did something bad. Thanks for proving my point. My God, none of this has anything to do with defining a political ideology: - Throwing all nuance over board - Big, powerful words; vastly exaggerate - Sway readers - Simple minds - Easy explanation Most of the people who write about populism are negative about it. But they at least write about populism!, i.e. a political ideology about the common people versus the elites. You so far haven’t even mentioned one single salient point about what it actually is. (Sorry, but pejoratives don’t count. I can’t say “Communism is when mean people convince dumb people with their evil ideas” and expect anyone to take me seriously.) > Claiming Israel is an Apartheid state does a giant disservice to those that actually suffered during the Apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians living in Israel, everyone in Israel that supports intercultural relations, and everyone else that might be interested in achieving piece. All you do is sow hate. This is pure rhetoric. You think that the statement is wrong? Well just say that then instead of bawling all over the place about how it hurts puppies. Plenty of people who support Palestinians call Israel an apartheid state because calling a spade for a spade (the truth) is good practice for justice and truth.
        9dev 3y ago
        > Why did you have to resort to looking it up on Wikipedia? You seemed confident in your proclamation No, I just phrased it poorly. What I meant was that you seemed to pull your definition of populism straight from Wikipedia, but that wasn’t really a good summary. > You so far haven’t even mentioned one single salient point about what it actually is. If it helps, here’s the definition from a dictionary: > a political strategy based on a calculated appeal to the interests or prejudices of ordinary people It isn’t an ideology, it’s simply an abstract strategy. Which I described in several examples. I don’t understand what you’re missing here. > This is pure rhetoric. You think that the statement is wrong? Well just say that then instead of bawling all over the place about how it hurts puppies. Is calling it bullshit clear enough to you? Because that’s what I did in the first place. Israel is home to a broad demographic. All citizens are allowed to vote. There is nothing similar to the Apartheid; repeatedly claiming so doesn’t make it true.

This sort of populist bullshit is part of the problem we’re dealing with.

by 9dev 3y ago

This sort of populist bullshit is part of the problem we’re dealing with.

keybored 3y ago

Populism out of nowhere. Thanks for proving again that it’s just devolved into being a mindless smear.

9dev 3y ago
If calling the Israel of 2023 an Apartheid state isn’t populist, then what is..?
- keybored 3y ago
  Okay, then I’m curious. What does that statement have to do with (something like) “the belief that the elites and the common people are in political opposition”?
  - 9dev 3y ago
    Turns out, the first line of the Wikipedia article isn’t overly helpful. Populism refers to providing simple solutions for complex problems; throwing all nuance over board, in favour of just faulting „them“; using big, powerful words that pick out and vastly exaggerate a single aspect of a situation to sway readers into your own perspective; or put simply, populism means convincing simple minds by giving them an easy explanation that something is wrong because someone else did something bad. Claiming Israel is an Apartheid state does a giant disservice to those that actually suffered during the Apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians living in Israel, everyone in Israel that supports intercultural relations, and everyone else that might be interested in achieving piece. All you do is sow hate.
    - keybored 3y ago
      > Turns out, the first line of the Wikipedia article isn’t overly helpful. Why did you have to resort to looking it up on Wikipedia? You seemed confident in your proclamation. > Populism refers to providing simple solutions for complex problems; throwing all nuance over board, in favour of just faulting „them“; using big, powerful words that pick out and vastly exaggerate a single aspect of a situation to sway readers into your own perspective; or put simply, populism means convincing simple minds by giving them an easy explanation that something is wrong because someone else did something bad. Thanks for proving my point. My God, none of this has anything to do with defining a political ideology: - Throwing all nuance over board - Big, powerful words; vastly exaggerate - Sway readers - Simple minds - Easy explanation Most of the people who write about populism are negative about it. But they at least write about populism!, i.e. a political ideology about the common people versus the elites. You so far haven’t even mentioned one single salient point about what it actually is. (Sorry, but pejoratives don’t count. I can’t say “Communism is when mean people convince dumb people with their evil ideas” and expect anyone to take me seriously.) > Claiming Israel is an Apartheid state does a giant disservice to those that actually suffered during the Apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians living in Israel, everyone in Israel that supports intercultural relations, and everyone else that might be interested in achieving piece. All you do is sow hate. This is pure rhetoric. You think that the statement is wrong? Well just say that then instead of bawling all over the place about how it hurts puppies. Plenty of people who support Palestinians call Israel an apartheid state because calling a spade for a spade (the truth) is good practice for justice and truth.
      - 9dev 3y ago
        > Why did you have to resort to looking it up on Wikipedia? You seemed confident in your proclamation No, I just phrased it poorly. What I meant was that you seemed to pull your definition of populism straight from Wikipedia, but that wasn’t really a good summary. > You so far haven’t even mentioned one single salient point about what it actually is. If it helps, here’s the definition from a dictionary: > a political strategy based on a calculated appeal to the interests or prejudices of ordinary people It isn’t an ideology, it’s simply an abstract strategy. Which I described in several examples. I don’t understand what you’re missing here. > This is pure rhetoric. You think that the statement is wrong? Well just say that then instead of bawling all over the place about how it hurts puppies. Is calling it bullshit clear enough to you? Because that’s what I did in the first place. Israel is home to a broad demographic. All citizens are allowed to vote. There is nothing similar to the Apartheid; repeatedly claiming so doesn’t make it true.