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Yep sounds like he missed the growth phase and is bitter. There were memes all over reddit about shorting Tesla and having Elon musk show up at your door. My b

Yep sounds like he missed the growth phase and is bitter. There were memes all over reddit about shorting Tesla and having Elon musk show up at your door. My best move was buying 20 OTM tsla calls 3 minutes before they announced the split. I held them through expiry and tried my hardest to find the money to keep the shares. Ended up getting liquidated but still walked away with a very pretty penny Still won’t buy a Tesla though

etempleton 3y ago
Warren Buffett invests based on the fundamentals of a company / stock. Buffett’s point is that he considers Tesla a gamble not an investment because the fundamentals are not there to support the high valuation. At one point Tesla was valued more than Toyota. Will Tesla sell as many cars as Toyota any time soon? No? Then the valuation is incorrect and will theoretically self correct in time.
- grepfru_it 3y ago
  I think the point is that Tesla was not always a gamble. If Warren buffet can invest in ZOOM but calls Tesla speculation is clearly a sign of missing the mark. Tesla was setting the bar for electric vehicles well before 2022. It’s okay to say your favorite investor doesn’t always get his picks right.
  - etempleton 3y ago
    Tesla's stock was overweight before it was able to turn a profit. The company nearly went bankrupt according to Elon himself before they could turn the corner. It was a big IF on whether Tesla or anyone could produce electric cars at volume or at a profit even while the valuation was sky high. No matter how bullish you are on electric cars (which I am) or Elon, it was a speculative investment and that is not something that Warren does. He is a value investor. He freely admits he has missed a lot of opportunities because of that and there is a strong argument to be made that his era of investing is over or at least not present at the moment. And Berkshire invested in Zoom, which was probably a Charlie Munger decision; not Warren himself. Charlie loves Zoom. Warren hates Zoom as he explains in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJImdZEgghQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJImdZEgghQ
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shric 3y ago
> My best move was buying 20 OTM tsla calls 3 minutes before they announced the split. Options adjust accordingly when a split occurs, so why is it relevant that you bought 3 minutes before? Tesla has had two splits so far and there wasn't much movement during either.
- grepfru_it 3y ago
  I did not lose any value to theta decay. When the split announced the stock popped, my calls moved in the money. I got the maximum value for my calls with the least amount of risk. Obviously no one knew when the split was going to happen.

etempleton 3y ago

Warren Buffett invests based on the fundamentals of a company / stock. Buffett’s point is that he considers Tesla a gamble not an investment because the fundamentals are not there to support the high valuation. At one point Tesla was valued more than Toyota. Will Tesla sell as many cars as Toyota any time soon? No? Then the valuation is incorrect and will theoretically self correct in time.

grepfru_it 3y ago
I think the point is that Tesla was not always a gamble. If Warren buffet can invest in ZOOM but calls Tesla speculation is clearly a sign of missing the mark. Tesla was setting the bar for electric vehicles well before 2022. It’s okay to say your favorite investor doesn’t always get his picks right.
- etempleton 3y ago
  Tesla's stock was overweight before it was able to turn a profit. The company nearly went bankrupt according to Elon himself before they could turn the corner. It was a big IF on whether Tesla or anyone could produce electric cars at volume or at a profit even while the valuation was sky high. No matter how bullish you are on electric cars (which I am) or Elon, it was a speculative investment and that is not something that Warren does. He is a value investor. He freely admits he has missed a lot of opportunities because of that and there is a strong argument to be made that his era of investing is over or at least not present at the moment. And Berkshire invested in Zoom, which was probably a Charlie Munger decision; not Warren himself. Charlie loves Zoom. Warren hates Zoom as he explains in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJImdZEgghQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJImdZEgghQ
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shric 3y ago

> My best move was buying 20 OTM tsla calls 3 minutes before they announced the split. Options adjust accordingly when a split occurs, so why is it relevant that you bought 3 minutes before? Tesla has had two splits so far and there wasn't much movement during either.

grepfru_it 3y ago
I did not lose any value to theta decay. When the split announced the stock popped, my calls moved in the money. I got the maximum value for my calls with the least amount of risk. Obviously no one knew when the split was going to happen.