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What are the chances that will be anything other than the tried and true "boil some water to make steam to turn a turbine"

rzzzt 3y ago
Fusion produces helium, you fill party balloons with it, they lift an anvil which falls on a pair of scissors that cuts a piece of string in half...
- tmccrary55 3y ago
  The Incredible Fusion Machine
  - rzzzt 3y ago
    Phew!
- noobermin 3y ago
  This is like saying "burning gasoline produces CO2, how do you make energy with that?" Literally the quoted energy they use to calculate the ignition criterion for NIF is the neutron yield.
  - bandyaboot 3y ago
    It’s also like saying, “This is kind of an amusing joke for those that enjoy amusing jokes”.
DennisP 3y ago
That's exactly what it would be, for any fusion that's not using aneutronic fuel.
noobermin 3y ago
That literally is it, just like fission you capture neutrons and heat water. The engineering issue of getting a stream of pellets to shoot is the issue, the "how do you convert neutrons from DT into electricity" just betrays severe ignorance. The engineering issue is a bigger jump.
- tsimionescu 3y ago
  The issue of capturing power out of the exploding pellet is not at all the same as the issue of capturing neutrons out of a MCF reactor, and neither is the same as the problem of capturing the neutrons from a fission power plant. The neutrons from fusion reactos are far more powerful, so they punch much more easily through materials you put in the way. Also, the ICF reactor has many moving parts (the pellet needs to be put in a very precise position for the lasers to shoot), so transferring heat from it is not nearly as easy as a much simpler fission reactor (which is mostly just a hunk of uranium which stays hot, and all the complexity comes out of being able to prevent the uranium from getting too hot).
zirgs 3y ago
When I first learned how nuclear reactors actually generate power it was a big WTF moment for me. Wait - do they really just heat water? For some reason I thought that there was a more advanced process to extract electricity from the reactor.
- OnlyMortal 3y ago
  Yup. It does seem inefficient. I assume the cost is “good enough”.
sillywalk 3y ago
In Back to The Future, Doc Brown not only invented a time machine, but a device that fits into a Delorean that can directly convert plutonium into electricity.
justinclift 3y ago
This was announced back in 2008, but it sounds like it didn't go anywhere: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13545-nanomaterial-turns-radiation-directly-into-electricity/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13545-nanomaterial-tu...

rzzzt 3y ago

Fusion produces helium, you fill party balloons with it, they lift an anvil which falls on a pair of scissors that cuts a piece of string in half...

tmccrary55 3y ago
The Incredible Fusion Machine
- rzzzt 3y ago
  Phew!
noobermin 3y ago
This is like saying "burning gasoline produces CO2, how do you make energy with that?" Literally the quoted energy they use to calculate the ignition criterion for NIF is the neutron yield.
- bandyaboot 3y ago
  It’s also like saying, “This is kind of an amusing joke for those that enjoy amusing jokes”.

DennisP 3y ago

That's exactly what it would be, for any fusion that's not using aneutronic fuel.

noobermin 3y ago

That literally is it, just like fission you capture neutrons and heat water. The engineering issue of getting a stream of pellets to shoot is the issue, the "how do you convert neutrons from DT into electricity" just betrays severe ignorance. The engineering issue is a bigger jump.

tsimionescu 3y ago
The issue of capturing power out of the exploding pellet is not at all the same as the issue of capturing neutrons out of a MCF reactor, and neither is the same as the problem of capturing the neutrons from a fission power plant. The neutrons from fusion reactos are far more powerful, so they punch much more easily through materials you put in the way. Also, the ICF reactor has many moving parts (the pellet needs to be put in a very precise position for the lasers to shoot), so transferring heat from it is not nearly as easy as a much simpler fission reactor (which is mostly just a hunk of uranium which stays hot, and all the complexity comes out of being able to prevent the uranium from getting too hot).

zirgs 3y ago

When I first learned how nuclear reactors actually generate power it was a big WTF moment for me. Wait - do they really just heat water? For some reason I thought that there was a more advanced process to extract electricity from the reactor.

OnlyMortal 3y ago
Yup. It does seem inefficient. I assume the cost is “good enough”.

sillywalk 3y ago

In Back to The Future, Doc Brown not only invented a time machine, but a device that fits into a Delorean that can directly convert plutonium into electricity.

justinclift 3y ago

This was announced back in 2008, but it sounds like it didn't go anywhere: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13545-nanomaterial-turns-radiation-directly-into-electricity/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13545-nanomaterial-tu...