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This sounds like Sam Harris logic. The most dangerous groups aren’t the most hateful or those who the most ambitious goals, like “destroy America”. It is those

This sounds like Sam Harris logic. The most dangerous groups aren’t the most hateful or those who the most ambitious goals, like “destroy America”. It is those who are both powerful and have some stated or non-stated plan to do something. The US and Israel are much more powerful than these groups.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
You're arguing that America and Israel are more dangerous than Hamas? I mean yes, of course. That's the point of having a military.
- keybored 3y ago
  If you agree then I don’t understand why you are responding to this out of nowhere.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > If you agree then I don’t understand why you are responding to this out of nowhere I'm calling it irrelevant. Almost tautological–being powerful means being dangerous.
    - keybored 3y ago
      Why are you telling me.
DiscourseFan 3y ago
Why does being less powerful justify somebodies actions? When Marx said, for instance, that the Proletariat would establish a dictatorship, he didn't think they were less powerful than the Capitalists, just that they didn't realize how powerful they were: for Marx, it was always a question of power. And its the powerful who rule.
- keybored 3y ago
  > Why does being less powerful justify somebodies actions? No one said justify so this is irrelevant. Some organization does bad things and one possible solution might be to do a good thing. The pragmatic thing is then to try to do that good thing. The ideological and nonsensical response is to not do it because that would be to do a good thing that someone bad told you to do. > When Marx said, for instance, that the Proletariat would establish a dictatorship, he didn't think they were less powerful than the Capitalists, just that they didn't realize how powerful they were: for Marx, it was always a question of power. And its the powerful who rule. Irrelevant comparison.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

You're arguing that America and Israel are more dangerous than Hamas? I mean yes, of course. That's the point of having a military.

keybored 3y ago
If you agree then I don’t understand why you are responding to this out of nowhere.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > If you agree then I don’t understand why you are responding to this out of nowhere I'm calling it irrelevant. Almost tautological–being powerful means being dangerous.
  - keybored 3y ago
    Why are you telling me.

DiscourseFan 3y ago

Why does being less powerful justify somebodies actions? When Marx said, for instance, that the Proletariat would establish a dictatorship, he didn't think they were less powerful than the Capitalists, just that they didn't realize how powerful they were: for Marx, it was always a question of power. And its the powerful who rule.

keybored 3y ago
> Why does being less powerful justify somebodies actions? No one said justify so this is irrelevant. Some organization does bad things and one possible solution might be to do a good thing. The pragmatic thing is then to try to do that good thing. The ideological and nonsensical response is to not do it because that would be to do a good thing that someone bad told you to do. > When Marx said, for instance, that the Proletariat would establish a dictatorship, he didn't think they were less powerful than the Capitalists, just that they didn't realize how powerful they were: for Marx, it was always a question of power. And its the powerful who rule. Irrelevant comparison.