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I always liked this version with music added: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo I remember sharing a jai

I always liked this version with music added: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo I remember sharing a jail cell with a 19-year-old Mexican kid once and we were talking about the guards being assholes and he said "they're like machine men"; and I said "with machine minds and machine hearts?" and he was like "YES! You know it?!" -- it was a good moment, we spent the next few days trying to remember the whole speech.

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hannofcart 3y ago
While this was a pithy comment, I'd totally upvote and read an article on how someone who frequents HN found themselves in the scenario you mentioned.
- qingcharles 3y ago
  There's a long story which I hope soon to be able to document. One thing I learned was never, ever, ever to judge people on first impressions. I think I thought "Oh no" when they put that kid in my cell, but he was an utterly fantastic cellmate. His case was fascinating; he had stolen approximately $60,000 over several months as a night cashier at Target by managing to pick the lock on the safes next to the register using a pen during hours of boredom. He burned through every penny flying around the country staying at nice hotels every weekend to fuel his burgeoning MMA career. He was finally called to the office by a manager at Target and two detectives were there. He didn't get a chance to deny anything as a roll of $3,000 cash fell out of his pants leg as he was stood right in front of them.
  - yawpitch 3y ago
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- causality0 3y ago
  HN has more variety when it comes to posters than you think. There's one guy here who spent time in prison for eco-terrorism.
  - askonomm 3y ago
    I spent 3 months in prison for getting drunk, stealing a row boat, and escaping from the police on said boat. My cellmates called me a low budget pirate. That was 10 years ago now. I've met tons of people like me who are otherwise in fields you'd associate with intellect. Some of us just have a knack for testing the limits of society.
    - marcus_holmes 3y ago
      Why is your username for everything not "low_budget_pirate"? Great story :)
    - j-a-a-p 3y ago
      At probably a similar level of intoxication we found a boat and used it to enter a military compound in the city center of a small town called Delft. Me and my companion who were in the military at the time thought that would be a good idea. The boat however was leaking quite a bit and sunk right after we arrived. We managed to get into the building, which had a museum, and found a nice spot to sleep. It was not a difficult choice, either that, a forced exfiltration or a nightly swim. The next morning the person who opened the building did not even try to contain 2 x 2m young men.
      - fransje26 3y ago
        > a military compound in the city center of a small town called Delft You mean like, the military museum?
  - nandhinianand 3y ago
    Ughhh.. I hate that word, especially when it refers to the protest acts like spaghetti on art, or slow march on a road delaying traffic etc... I think partly because it smells like a society that has started worshipping "traffic" or "business as usual" instead of doing that by deliberate choice.
givan 3y ago
He is a machine, everything with him happens. He cannot stop the flow of his thoughts, he cannot control his imagination, his emotions, his attention. He lives in a subjective world of 'I love,' 'I do not love,' 'I like,' 'I do not like,' 'I want,' 'I do not want,' that is, of what he thinks he likes, of what he thinks he does not like, of what he thinks he wants, of what he thinks he does not want. He does not see the real world. The real world is hidden from him by the wall of imagination. He lives in sleep. He is asleep. What is called 'clear consciousness' is sleep and a far more dangerous sleep than sleep at night in bed. "Let us take some event in the life of humanity. For instance, war. There is a war going on at the present moment. What does it signify? It signifies that several millions of sleeping people are trying to destroy several millions of other sleeping people. They would not do this, of course, if they were to wake up. Everything that takes place is owing to this sleep." --- In Search of the Miraculous - Ouspensky
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- kukkeliskuu 3y ago
  Wow, I immediately recognized the text. I am very positively surprised in seeing Gurdjieff referenced here.
  - haltist 3y ago
    The name sounded familiar so I looked in my spotify playlists and sure enough: https://open.spotify.com/album/2j51awurPD6ZDE0JdRliUc?si=J-rVMulWS_OOQdxa6tl6yw https://open.spotify.com/album/2j51awurPD6ZDE0JdRliUc?si=J-r....
radlad 3y ago
My partner is very partial to this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouzKl0oD6sU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouzKl0oD6sU :)
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  So am I. It packs an extra emotional punch. I consider it the reference version :).
- qingcharles 3y ago
  Clever remix!
- porbelm 3y ago
  No disrespect, but to me that thing just gave me the same emotion as when I saw that meme about the person who couldn't connect to the holocaust until an MLP pony was edited into it. Raw humanity just isn't enough any more? Have we become so devoid of imagination and empaty?
  - radlad 3y ago
    Godwin's law has been invoked... I think you mean you prefer the spoken word to a song? I think they serve different purposes. You can connect to either, or both, but spoken word (or a speech) isn't always appropriate in situations where a song is. :) > Raw humanity just isn't enough any more? Have we become so devoid of imagination and empaty? This seems like quite a jump.
zgin4679 3y ago
https://youtu.be/XbUvDTMkjwA https://youtu.be/XbUvDTMkjwA Yet another good version.
el_pollo_diablo 3y ago
My personal favorite is by Hugo Kant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsWrU9h9WGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsWrU9h9WGI
zozbot234 3y ago
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- Loughla 3y ago
  Dude. Just stop. Take a breath and relax. Not everything is a battle in the culture war. Let that go, and just live your life. You'll be happier, I promise.
- J_Shelby_J 3y ago
  Taika Waititas most loved movie is literally him playing hitler.
- Hammershaft 3y ago
  I think this take is really hyperbolic, there have been movies in the last decade that ambiguously portray hitler in different contexts. Are there even any examples of movies that have failed to release because of 'internet rage mobs'
- cogman10 3y ago
  I sincerely think you need to step out of your political circle, whatever it may be, and try to understand the "mob" you think would cancel this movie. Whoever you are consuming this take from is lying to you about the motivations of their opponents. You MIGHT find some isolated instance where someone objects to this movie. However, they'll be in an extreme minority. When you take a bit of time to understand when and why someone wants to cancel something, it's generally not the story you've consumed from sensationalist media. More often than not, it's a company self censoring and not some mob demanding cancellation. You may still disagree with the "mob", however, at least you'd not have such a cartoonishly wrong take on the motivations of those you disagree with.
  - zozbot234 3y ago
    > You MIGHT find some isolated instance where someone objects to this movie. However, they'll be in an extreme minority. Really? Take a look at the reception of recent movies that are arguably comparable - The Dictator (Larry Charles, 2012), The Interview, Jojo Rabbit. All of which, to a greater or lesser extent, have been overshadowed by controversy about their portrayal of these topics, often including claims that the movie is either promoting hateful attitudes or "trivializing" and implicitly minimizing past atrocities by the vey act of portraying them via satire and ridicule. The contrast with how The Great Dictator was received historically could hardly be any clearer!
elrostelperien 3y ago
Yet another music version: https://www.jamendo.com/track/967547/the-last-dictator https://www.jamendo.com/track/967547/the-last-dictator (and with the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8mGEbxm6WI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8mGEbxm6WI )
TaylorAlexander 3y ago
This speech reminds me of the anarchist Errico Malatesta. Some of his comrades tried to call him the “Lenin of Italy” and he said he never wants to be the ruler of others, and that no matter how good his heart is if he were put in that position he would be corrupted by power just as everyone else would be. This video covers it: https://youtu.be/KYI-Bra-hP0 https://youtu.be/KYI-Bra-hP0
- qingcharles 3y ago
  That's great. It's true though, it would be hard to go from an anarchist to a ruler just because people think you would be good in that position. Humans find it very hard not to be corrupted by power.
  - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    > Humans find it very hard not to be corrupted by power. I will say yes, and also anarchists would argue that corruption of power is basically a simple function of the system. A ruler living in the capital will be unable to make appropriate decisions for rural farmers or urban factory workers. That those people should decide for themselves how best to operate, and they should do so by vote or elected and re-callable delegates. As a ruler is isolated from the functions of the people, they will be unable to see what decisions are appropriate, and they will lean in to what is in front of them.
    - piloto_ciego 3y ago
      There’s an excellent capital, capitol, Das Kapital, capital pun in here somewhere.
    - steveBK123 3y ago
      Yes and sometimes I think “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried” is especially true in providing voters a put option. That is - we are pretty good at removing bad governments. I don't think I would argue that democracies produce the best candidates, political class and leaders. However it provides voters the ability to remove candidates at the polls every X years, and in some cases (recalls) more frequently. While negative partisanship may make it hard to produce great leaders, it also helps limit bad ones. So democracies don't generally end up with leaders for life who become more and more disassociated from the populace and reality.. as we see in most dictatorships and direct monarchies.
colkassad 3y ago
Here's the one I like by The The Aquaerials, the piano packs an emotional punch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww1CqDfIGfs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww1CqDfIGfs And by the same artist in a similar vein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uw0cO19e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uw0cO19e6A
er0k 3y ago
I like mos def's version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzvg_hCCn8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzvg_hCCn8Y
- qingcharles 3y ago
  Awesome!

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hannofcart 3y ago

While this was a pithy comment, I'd totally upvote and read an article on how someone who frequents HN found themselves in the scenario you mentioned.

qingcharles 3y ago
There's a long story which I hope soon to be able to document. One thing I learned was never, ever, ever to judge people on first impressions. I think I thought "Oh no" when they put that kid in my cell, but he was an utterly fantastic cellmate. His case was fascinating; he had stolen approximately $60,000 over several months as a night cashier at Target by managing to pick the lock on the safes next to the register using a pen during hours of boredom. He burned through every penny flying around the country staying at nice hotels every weekend to fuel his burgeoning MMA career. He was finally called to the office by a manager at Target and two detectives were there. He didn't get a chance to deny anything as a roll of $3,000 cash fell out of his pants leg as he was stood right in front of them.
- yawpitch 3y ago
  [flagged]
causality0 3y ago
HN has more variety when it comes to posters than you think. There's one guy here who spent time in prison for eco-terrorism.
- askonomm 3y ago
  I spent 3 months in prison for getting drunk, stealing a row boat, and escaping from the police on said boat. My cellmates called me a low budget pirate. That was 10 years ago now. I've met tons of people like me who are otherwise in fields you'd associate with intellect. Some of us just have a knack for testing the limits of society.
  - marcus_holmes 3y ago
    Why is your username for everything not "low_budget_pirate"? Great story :)
  - j-a-a-p 3y ago
    At probably a similar level of intoxication we found a boat and used it to enter a military compound in the city center of a small town called Delft. Me and my companion who were in the military at the time thought that would be a good idea. The boat however was leaking quite a bit and sunk right after we arrived. We managed to get into the building, which had a museum, and found a nice spot to sleep. It was not a difficult choice, either that, a forced exfiltration or a nightly swim. The next morning the person who opened the building did not even try to contain 2 x 2m young men.
    - fransje26 3y ago
      > a military compound in the city center of a small town called Delft You mean like, the military museum?
- nandhinianand 3y ago
  Ughhh.. I hate that word, especially when it refers to the protest acts like spaghetti on art, or slow march on a road delaying traffic etc... I think partly because it smells like a society that has started worshipping "traffic" or "business as usual" instead of doing that by deliberate choice.

givan 3y ago

He is a machine, everything with him happens. He cannot stop the flow of his thoughts, he cannot control his imagination, his emotions, his attention. He lives in a subjective world of 'I love,' 'I do not love,' 'I like,' 'I do not like,' 'I want,' 'I do not want,' that is, of what he thinks he likes, of what he thinks he does not like, of what he thinks he wants, of what he thinks he does not want. He does not see the real world. The real world is hidden from him by the wall of imagination. He lives in sleep. He is asleep. What is called 'clear consciousness' is sleep and a far more dangerous sleep than sleep at night in bed. "Let us take some event in the life of humanity. For instance, war. There is a war going on at the present moment. What does it signify? It signifies that several millions of sleeping people are trying to destroy several millions of other sleeping people. They would not do this, of course, if they were to wake up. Everything that takes place is owing to this sleep." --- In Search of the Miraculous - Ouspensky

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kukkeliskuu 3y ago
Wow, I immediately recognized the text. I am very positively surprised in seeing Gurdjieff referenced here.
- haltist 3y ago
  The name sounded familiar so I looked in my spotify playlists and sure enough: https://open.spotify.com/album/2j51awurPD6ZDE0JdRliUc?si=J-rVMulWS_OOQdxa6tl6yw https://open.spotify.com/album/2j51awurPD6ZDE0JdRliUc?si=J-r....

radlad 3y ago

My partner is very partial to this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouzKl0oD6sU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouzKl0oD6sU :)

TeMPOraL 3y ago
So am I. It packs an extra emotional punch. I consider it the reference version :).
qingcharles 3y ago
Clever remix!
porbelm 3y ago
No disrespect, but to me that thing just gave me the same emotion as when I saw that meme about the person who couldn't connect to the holocaust until an MLP pony was edited into it. Raw humanity just isn't enough any more? Have we become so devoid of imagination and empaty?
- radlad 3y ago
  Godwin's law has been invoked... I think you mean you prefer the spoken word to a song? I think they serve different purposes. You can connect to either, or both, but spoken word (or a speech) isn't always appropriate in situations where a song is. :) > Raw humanity just isn't enough any more? Have we become so devoid of imagination and empaty? This seems like quite a jump.

zgin4679 3y ago

https://youtu.be/XbUvDTMkjwA https://youtu.be/XbUvDTMkjwA Yet another good version.

el_pollo_diablo 3y ago

My personal favorite is by Hugo Kant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsWrU9h9WGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsWrU9h9WGI

zozbot234 3y ago

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Loughla 3y ago
Dude. Just stop. Take a breath and relax. Not everything is a battle in the culture war. Let that go, and just live your life. You'll be happier, I promise.
J_Shelby_J 3y ago
Taika Waititas most loved movie is literally him playing hitler.
Hammershaft 3y ago
I think this take is really hyperbolic, there have been movies in the last decade that ambiguously portray hitler in different contexts. Are there even any examples of movies that have failed to release because of 'internet rage mobs'
cogman10 3y ago
I sincerely think you need to step out of your political circle, whatever it may be, and try to understand the "mob" you think would cancel this movie. Whoever you are consuming this take from is lying to you about the motivations of their opponents. You MIGHT find some isolated instance where someone objects to this movie. However, they'll be in an extreme minority. When you take a bit of time to understand when and why someone wants to cancel something, it's generally not the story you've consumed from sensationalist media. More often than not, it's a company self censoring and not some mob demanding cancellation. You may still disagree with the "mob", however, at least you'd not have such a cartoonishly wrong take on the motivations of those you disagree with.
- zozbot234 3y ago
  > You MIGHT find some isolated instance where someone objects to this movie. However, they'll be in an extreme minority. Really? Take a look at the reception of recent movies that are arguably comparable - The Dictator (Larry Charles, 2012), The Interview, Jojo Rabbit. All of which, to a greater or lesser extent, have been overshadowed by controversy about their portrayal of these topics, often including claims that the movie is either promoting hateful attitudes or "trivializing" and implicitly minimizing past atrocities by the vey act of portraying them via satire and ridicule. The contrast with how The Great Dictator was received historically could hardly be any clearer!

elrostelperien 3y ago

Yet another music version: https://www.jamendo.com/track/967547/the-last-dictator https://www.jamendo.com/track/967547/the-last-dictator (and with the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8mGEbxm6WI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8mGEbxm6WI )

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

This speech reminds me of the anarchist Errico Malatesta. Some of his comrades tried to call him the “Lenin of Italy” and he said he never wants to be the ruler of others, and that no matter how good his heart is if he were put in that position he would be corrupted by power just as everyone else would be. This video covers it: https://youtu.be/KYI-Bra-hP0 https://youtu.be/KYI-Bra-hP0

qingcharles 3y ago
That's great. It's true though, it would be hard to go from an anarchist to a ruler just because people think you would be good in that position. Humans find it very hard not to be corrupted by power.
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  > Humans find it very hard not to be corrupted by power. I will say yes, and also anarchists would argue that corruption of power is basically a simple function of the system. A ruler living in the capital will be unable to make appropriate decisions for rural farmers or urban factory workers. That those people should decide for themselves how best to operate, and they should do so by vote or elected and re-callable delegates. As a ruler is isolated from the functions of the people, they will be unable to see what decisions are appropriate, and they will lean in to what is in front of them.
  - piloto_ciego 3y ago
    There’s an excellent capital, capitol, Das Kapital, capital pun in here somewhere.
  - steveBK123 3y ago
    Yes and sometimes I think “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried” is especially true in providing voters a put option. That is - we are pretty good at removing bad governments. I don't think I would argue that democracies produce the best candidates, political class and leaders. However it provides voters the ability to remove candidates at the polls every X years, and in some cases (recalls) more frequently. While negative partisanship may make it hard to produce great leaders, it also helps limit bad ones. So democracies don't generally end up with leaders for life who become more and more disassociated from the populace and reality.. as we see in most dictatorships and direct monarchies.

colkassad 3y ago

Here's the one I like by The The Aquaerials, the piano packs an emotional punch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww1CqDfIGfs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww1CqDfIGfs And by the same artist in a similar vein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uw0cO19e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uw0cO19e6A

er0k 3y ago

I like mos def's version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzvg_hCCn8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzvg_hCCn8Y

qingcharles 3y ago
Awesome!