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They also have demanded death to Israel and Jews though. They’re a cat’s paw for Iran, who don’t really care about Gazans except as they can be used to delegiti

They also have demanded death to Israel and Jews though. They’re a cat’s paw for Iran, who don’t really care about Gazans except as they can be used to delegitimize and destroy Israel.

rjzzleep 3y ago
Don't make this about Iran. Iran is doing nothing to deligitimize Israel right now. The Knesset is doing that all on its own. But death to the Jews? Where is the source of that? But even if they did, they are no threat to Israel. They're no threat to Jews around the world. Israel is vastly more powerful than any country in the region, except maybe Iran. There is really no threat to Israels existence at this point. It's also the only nuclear power in the region. Mearscheimer correctly called this "threat inflation"[1] But calling for the destruction of a state isn't that uncommon. I fail to see what's so unique about such a statement. Also worth remember that the west itself constantly engages in that rhetoric. 0. Various countries frequently call for the destruction of their neighbours 1. the Israeli's and the Americans constantly call for the destruction of Iran(hardly the only nation btw) 2. the US and Europeans have conferences about the break up of Russia(i.e. the destruction of Russia) 3.Yugoslavia, and several other nations having actually been destroyed in the last couple of decades [1] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1736160553322553404 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1736160553322553404
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  > But death to the Jews? Where is the source of that? This is hardly controversial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement "The slogan of the Houthi movement (officially called 'Ansar Allah'), a Shia Islamist political and military organization in Yemen, reads 'God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A Curse Upon the Jews, Victory to Islam'".
  - rjzzleep 3y ago
    I didn't know the slogan, but the slogan quite literally doesn't say what the parent claims it does, does it? Otherwise it would be "Death to Israel, death to the jews", no? I tried to google the Arabic and either google is really bad at arabic or that word is mostly used in the quran.
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess the curse they're hoping for isn't "they'll be doomed to stub their toes regularly".
- Veraticus 3y ago
  Iran is funding basically the entire terrorist campaign against Israel: https://www.acfcs.org/unraveling-a-complex-web-a-primer-on-hamas-funding-sources-iranian-support-global-connections-and-compliance-concerns-considerations#:~:text=“Not%20only%20did%20the%20Hamas,congressional%20hearing%20Thursday%20on%20terror https://www.acfcs.org/unraveling-a-complex-web-a-primer-on-h... So yes, it is trying as hard as it can to not just delegitimize Israel but destroy it. What Israel is doing domestically is entirely irrelevant to Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas, who have all said numerous times that they want to kill all Jews. This stance has not altered or varied even when Israel had pro-peace governments. The claim that there is no threat to Israel’s existence is totally absurd. It has fought multiple existential wars in many of its citizens’ living memories, and just suffered an enormous terrorist attack whose authors’ ultimate stated goal is, again, the destruction of Israel. And then talking out both sides of your mouth that actually “the west” is fine with destroying nations so that rhetoric is okay is simply disingenuous. Is Israel under threat of annihilation and that’s okay, or is it not? Anyway anyone who knows anything about the conflict can immediately see your framing is extremely disingenuous.
  - rjzzleep 3y ago
    What are you talking about. Hamas is primarily funded by Turkey and Qatar. Both countries with massive US military bases. For four decades we've now been hearing how Iran almost has the nuclear bomb[1], how Iran funds Al-Qaeda, when it fact it's the other way round because Shia's are considered infidels to these people. Various Israeli government officials including Mossad guys have on various times admitted that they propped up Hamas to keep a legitimate government from forming. Hamas is an offspring of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Egyptian army hates them, the Syrians fought them, Iran fought them. Israel, Turkey and the US all fought on the side of Alqaeda in Syria[2][3]. US shut down Turkey's banking integration with Russia with a simple threat of turning off the tap to their banking system. They could shut down Hamas funding in a heartbeat. But they don't it, why[4]? [1] https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/04/24/Ayatollah-bomb-in-production-for-Iran/4490451630800/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/04/24/Ayatollah-bomb-in-pr... [2] https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23225 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23225 [3] https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE81N1EX/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE81N1EX/ [4] https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visited-qatar-begged-it-to-pay-hamas-liberman-says/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visit...

They also have demanded death to Israel and Jews though. They’re a cat’s paw for Iran, who don’t really care about Gazans except as they can be used to delegitimize and destroy Israel.

rjzzleep 3y ago

Don't make this about Iran. Iran is doing nothing to deligitimize Israel right now. The Knesset is doing that all on its own. But death to the Jews? Where is the source of that? But even if they did, they are no threat to Israel. They're no threat to Jews around the world. Israel is vastly more powerful than any country in the region, except maybe Iran. There is really no threat to Israels existence at this point. It's also the only nuclear power in the region. Mearscheimer correctly called this "threat inflation"[1] But calling for the destruction of a state isn't that uncommon. I fail to see what's so unique about such a statement. Also worth remember that the west itself constantly engages in that rhetoric. 0. Various countries frequently call for the destruction of their neighbours 1. the Israeli's and the Americans constantly call for the destruction of Iran(hardly the only nation btw) 2. the US and Europeans have conferences about the break up of Russia(i.e. the destruction of Russia) 3.Yugoslavia, and several other nations having actually been destroyed in the last couple of decades [1] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1736160553322553404 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1736160553322553404

ceejayoz 3y ago
> But death to the Jews? Where is the source of that? This is hardly controversial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement "The slogan of the Houthi movement (officially called 'Ansar Allah'), a Shia Islamist political and military organization in Yemen, reads 'God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A Curse Upon the Jews, Victory to Islam'".
- rjzzleep 3y ago
  I didn't know the slogan, but the slogan quite literally doesn't say what the parent claims it does, does it? Otherwise it would be "Death to Israel, death to the jews", no? I tried to google the Arabic and either google is really bad at arabic or that word is mostly used in the quran.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess the curse they're hoping for isn't "they'll be doomed to stub their toes regularly".
Veraticus 3y ago
Iran is funding basically the entire terrorist campaign against Israel: https://www.acfcs.org/unraveling-a-complex-web-a-primer-on-hamas-funding-sources-iranian-support-global-connections-and-compliance-concerns-considerations#:~:text=“Not%20only%20did%20the%20Hamas,congressional%20hearing%20Thursday%20on%20terror https://www.acfcs.org/unraveling-a-complex-web-a-primer-on-h... So yes, it is trying as hard as it can to not just delegitimize Israel but destroy it. What Israel is doing domestically is entirely irrelevant to Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas, who have all said numerous times that they want to kill all Jews. This stance has not altered or varied even when Israel had pro-peace governments. The claim that there is no threat to Israel’s existence is totally absurd. It has fought multiple existential wars in many of its citizens’ living memories, and just suffered an enormous terrorist attack whose authors’ ultimate stated goal is, again, the destruction of Israel. And then talking out both sides of your mouth that actually “the west” is fine with destroying nations so that rhetoric is okay is simply disingenuous. Is Israel under threat of annihilation and that’s okay, or is it not? Anyway anyone who knows anything about the conflict can immediately see your framing is extremely disingenuous.
- rjzzleep 3y ago
  What are you talking about. Hamas is primarily funded by Turkey and Qatar. Both countries with massive US military bases. For four decades we've now been hearing how Iran almost has the nuclear bomb[1], how Iran funds Al-Qaeda, when it fact it's the other way round because Shia's are considered infidels to these people. Various Israeli government officials including Mossad guys have on various times admitted that they propped up Hamas to keep a legitimate government from forming. Hamas is an offspring of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Egyptian army hates them, the Syrians fought them, Iran fought them. Israel, Turkey and the US all fought on the side of Alqaeda in Syria[2][3]. US shut down Turkey's banking integration with Russia with a simple threat of turning off the tap to their banking system. They could shut down Hamas funding in a heartbeat. But they don't it, why[4]? [1] https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/04/24/Ayatollah-bomb-in-production-for-Iran/4490451630800/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/04/24/Ayatollah-bomb-in-pr... [2] https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23225 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23225 [3] https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE81N1EX/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE81N1EX/ [4] https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visited-qatar-begged-it-to-pay-hamas-liberman-says/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visit...