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Unfortunately, yes. War is very ugly.

by DiscourseFan 3y ago

jakupovic 3y ago
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- DiscourseFan 3y ago
  Justice? I don't think anyone here cares about justice more than the Houthis, and there version of it is the total destruction of the US and Israel. They believe, literally, it is their divine mission to destroy those two states. How are the US and Israel supposed to respond to a group whose stated goal is their complete and utter destruction? Would it be just to give them any leeway, to give them any sort of victory they can boast about to gain more followers, more strength, in order to execute terrorist attacks against the US and its allies? Would it be just to endanger their own citizens just for a short peace that ends the moment the Houthis decide they have the power to advance further?
  - keybored 3y ago
    This sounds like Sam Harris logic. The most dangerous groups aren’t the most hateful or those who the most ambitious goals, like “destroy America”. It is those who are both powerful and have some stated or non-stated plan to do something. The US and Israel are much more powerful than these groups.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      You're arguing that America and Israel are more dangerous than Hamas? I mean yes, of course. That's the point of having a military.
      - keybored 3y ago
        If you agree then I don’t understand why you are responding to this out of nowhere.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > If you agree then I don’t understand why you are responding to this out of nowhere I'm calling it irrelevant. Almost tautological–being powerful means being dangerous.
        keybored 3y ago
        Why are you telling me.
    - DiscourseFan 3y ago
      Why does being less powerful justify somebodies actions? When Marx said, for instance, that the Proletariat would establish a dictatorship, he didn't think they were less powerful than the Capitalists, just that they didn't realize how powerful they were: for Marx, it was always a question of power. And its the powerful who rule.
      - keybored 3y ago
        > Why does being less powerful justify somebodies actions? No one said justify so this is irrelevant. Some organization does bad things and one possible solution might be to do a good thing. The pragmatic thing is then to try to do that good thing. The ideological and nonsensical response is to not do it because that would be to do a good thing that someone bad told you to do. > When Marx said, for instance, that the Proletariat would establish a dictatorship, he didn't think they were less powerful than the Capitalists, just that they didn't realize how powerful they were: for Marx, it was always a question of power. And its the powerful who rule. Irrelevant comparison.
- dang 3y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. This has been a pattern for a while, including recent example like these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38506362 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38506362 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38229052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38229052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38208427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38208427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38203300 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38203300 If you keep posting like this, we're going to have to ban you. If you don't want to be banned, it would be good to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, stop posting flamewar-style comments, and stick to the rules from now on.
  - jakupovic 3y ago
    You are rate limiting me and not letting the other side post. When someone has multiple responses and comments that's not "low quality" quite the opposite. This is the same responses i gave you in my email and to you. Please stop this! You in particular @dang.
    - dang 3y ago
      We rate limit accounts when they post too many low-quality comments and/or get involved in flamewars. As this is what your account has been doing, it's not surprising that it is rate limited. Number of responses isn't a measure of quality. Flamewar comments routinely get the largest number of responses. On HN, we're trying for quality rather than quantity.
      - jakupovic 3y ago
        You're changing the criteria to suit you! You bring up my bitcoin posts and other stuff to justify yourself. This is not OK. you lnow it I know it and everyone else does too! Not sure how you got the moderator status but it should be reevaluated, you know it I know it and everyone else does as well. Don't try to justify it woth selective combing through my post history.

Unfortunately, yes. War is very ugly.

jakupovic 3y ago

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DiscourseFan 3y ago
Justice? I don't think anyone here cares about justice more than the Houthis, and there version of it is the total destruction of the US and Israel. They believe, literally, it is their divine mission to destroy those two states. How are the US and Israel supposed to respond to a group whose stated goal is their complete and utter destruction? Would it be just to give them any leeway, to give them any sort of victory they can boast about to gain more followers, more strength, in order to execute terrorist attacks against the US and its allies? Would it be just to endanger their own citizens just for a short peace that ends the moment the Houthis decide they have the power to advance further?
- keybored 3y ago
  This sounds like Sam Harris logic. The most dangerous groups aren’t the most hateful or those who the most ambitious goals, like “destroy America”. It is those who are both powerful and have some stated or non-stated plan to do something. The US and Israel are much more powerful than these groups.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    You're arguing that America and Israel are more dangerous than Hamas? I mean yes, of course. That's the point of having a military.
    - keybored 3y ago
      If you agree then I don’t understand why you are responding to this out of nowhere.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > If you agree then I don’t understand why you are responding to this out of nowhere I'm calling it irrelevant. Almost tautological–being powerful means being dangerous.
        keybored 3y ago
        Why are you telling me.
  - DiscourseFan 3y ago
    Why does being less powerful justify somebodies actions? When Marx said, for instance, that the Proletariat would establish a dictatorship, he didn't think they were less powerful than the Capitalists, just that they didn't realize how powerful they were: for Marx, it was always a question of power. And its the powerful who rule.
    - keybored 3y ago
      > Why does being less powerful justify somebodies actions? No one said justify so this is irrelevant. Some organization does bad things and one possible solution might be to do a good thing. The pragmatic thing is then to try to do that good thing. The ideological and nonsensical response is to not do it because that would be to do a good thing that someone bad told you to do. > When Marx said, for instance, that the Proletariat would establish a dictatorship, he didn't think they were less powerful than the Capitalists, just that they didn't realize how powerful they were: for Marx, it was always a question of power. And its the powerful who rule. Irrelevant comparison.
dang 3y ago
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. This has been a pattern for a while, including recent example like these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38506362 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38506362 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38229052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38229052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38208427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38208427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38203300 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38203300 If you keep posting like this, we're going to have to ban you. If you don't want to be banned, it would be good to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, stop posting flamewar-style comments, and stick to the rules from now on.
- jakupovic 3y ago
  You are rate limiting me and not letting the other side post. When someone has multiple responses and comments that's not "low quality" quite the opposite. This is the same responses i gave you in my email and to you. Please stop this! You in particular @dang.
  - dang 3y ago
    We rate limit accounts when they post too many low-quality comments and/or get involved in flamewars. As this is what your account has been doing, it's not surprising that it is rate limited. Number of responses isn't a measure of quality. Flamewar comments routinely get the largest number of responses. On HN, we're trying for quality rather than quantity.
    - jakupovic 3y ago
      You're changing the criteria to suit you! You bring up my bitcoin posts and other stuff to justify yourself. This is not OK. you lnow it I know it and everyone else does too! Not sure how you got the moderator status but it should be reevaluated, you know it I know it and everyone else does as well. Don't try to justify it woth selective combing through my post history.