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I think Israel should do that, yes. But I also think that the Houthi wouldn't stop shooting at western ships even if Israel fed and housed every Gazan in an act

by WJW 3y ago

I think Israel should do that, yes. But I also think that the Houthi wouldn't stop shooting at western ships even if Israel fed and housed every Gazan in an actual palace. Their flag has some hints as to the goals of the movement, after all.

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- Jensson 3y ago
  Israel isn't an apartheid state, that ended 1966, so today 20% of their population are Arabs/Palestinians and they are allowed to vote.
  - keybored 3y ago
    This isn’t a fringe statement. Amnesty International agrees (at least the 2022 report—a fair time after 1966). Apartheid is the systematic domination of one racial group over another. How is that not in effect in Israel and the occupied territories? How is, say, the freedom of movement for Palestinians considering all the checkpoints that they have to go through? Can anyone argue that Palestinians are not second-class citizens in Israel and the occupied territories?
- 9dev 3y ago
  This sort of populist bullshit is part of the problem we’re dealing with.
  - keybored 3y ago
    Populism out of nowhere. Thanks for proving again that it’s just devolved into being a mindless smear.
    - 9dev 3y ago
      If calling the Israel of 2023 an Apartheid state isn’t populist, then what is..?
      - keybored 3y ago
        Okay, then I’m curious. What does that statement have to do with (something like) “the belief that the elites and the common people are in political opposition”?
        9dev 3y ago
        Turns out, the first line of the Wikipedia article isn’t overly helpful. Populism refers to providing simple solutions for complex problems; throwing all nuance over board, in favour of just faulting „them“; using big, powerful words that pick out and vastly exaggerate a single aspect of a situation to sway readers into your own perspective; or put simply, populism means convincing simple minds by giving them an easy explanation that something is wrong because someone else did something bad. Claiming Israel is an Apartheid state does a giant disservice to those that actually suffered during the Apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians living in Israel, everyone in Israel that supports intercultural relations, and everyone else that might be interested in achieving piece. All you do is sow hate.
        keybored 3y ago
        > Turns out, the first line of the Wikipedia article isn’t overly helpful. Why did you have to resort to looking it up on Wikipedia? You seemed confident in your proclamation. > Populism refers to providing simple solutions for complex problems; throwing all nuance over board, in favour of just faulting „them“; using big, powerful words that pick out and vastly exaggerate a single aspect of a situation to sway readers into your own perspective; or put simply, populism means convincing simple minds by giving them an easy explanation that something is wrong because someone else did something bad. Thanks for proving my point. My God, none of this has anything to do with defining a political ideology: - Throwing all nuance over board - Big, powerful words; vastly exaggerate - Sway readers - Simple minds - Easy explanation Most of the people who write about populism are negative about it. But they at least write about populism!, i.e. a political ideology about the common people versus the elites. You so far haven’t even mentioned one single salient point about what it actually is. (Sorry, but pejoratives don’t count. I can’t say “Communism is when mean people convince dumb people with their evil ideas” and expect anyone to take me seriously.) > Claiming Israel is an Apartheid state does a giant disservice to those that actually suffered during the Apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians living in Israel, everyone in Israel that supports intercultural relations, and everyone else that might be interested in achieving piece. All you do is sow hate. This is pure rhetoric. You think that the statement is wrong? Well just say that then instead of bawling all over the place about how it hurts puppies. Plenty of people who support Palestinians call Israel an apartheid state because calling a spade for a spade (the truth) is good practice for justice and truth.
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by WJW 3y ago

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Jensson 3y ago
Israel isn't an apartheid state, that ended 1966, so today 20% of their population are Arabs/Palestinians and they are allowed to vote.
- keybored 3y ago
  This isn’t a fringe statement. Amnesty International agrees (at least the 2022 report—a fair time after 1966). Apartheid is the systematic domination of one racial group over another. How is that not in effect in Israel and the occupied territories? How is, say, the freedom of movement for Palestinians considering all the checkpoints that they have to go through? Can anyone argue that Palestinians are not second-class citizens in Israel and the occupied territories?
9dev 3y ago
This sort of populist bullshit is part of the problem we’re dealing with.
- keybored 3y ago
  Populism out of nowhere. Thanks for proving again that it’s just devolved into being a mindless smear.
  - 9dev 3y ago
    If calling the Israel of 2023 an Apartheid state isn’t populist, then what is..?
    - keybored 3y ago
      Okay, then I’m curious. What does that statement have to do with (something like) “the belief that the elites and the common people are in political opposition”?
      - 9dev 3y ago
        Turns out, the first line of the Wikipedia article isn’t overly helpful. Populism refers to providing simple solutions for complex problems; throwing all nuance over board, in favour of just faulting „them“; using big, powerful words that pick out and vastly exaggerate a single aspect of a situation to sway readers into your own perspective; or put simply, populism means convincing simple minds by giving them an easy explanation that something is wrong because someone else did something bad. Claiming Israel is an Apartheid state does a giant disservice to those that actually suffered during the Apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians living in Israel, everyone in Israel that supports intercultural relations, and everyone else that might be interested in achieving piece. All you do is sow hate.
        keybored 3y ago
        > Turns out, the first line of the Wikipedia article isn’t overly helpful. Why did you have to resort to looking it up on Wikipedia? You seemed confident in your proclamation. > Populism refers to providing simple solutions for complex problems; throwing all nuance over board, in favour of just faulting „them“; using big, powerful words that pick out and vastly exaggerate a single aspect of a situation to sway readers into your own perspective; or put simply, populism means convincing simple minds by giving them an easy explanation that something is wrong because someone else did something bad. Thanks for proving my point. My God, none of this has anything to do with defining a political ideology: - Throwing all nuance over board - Big, powerful words; vastly exaggerate - Sway readers - Simple minds - Easy explanation Most of the people who write about populism are negative about it. But they at least write about populism!, i.e. a political ideology about the common people versus the elites. You so far haven’t even mentioned one single salient point about what it actually is. (Sorry, but pejoratives don’t count. I can’t say “Communism is when mean people convince dumb people with their evil ideas” and expect anyone to take me seriously.) > Claiming Israel is an Apartheid state does a giant disservice to those that actually suffered during the Apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians living in Israel, everyone in Israel that supports intercultural relations, and everyone else that might be interested in achieving piece. All you do is sow hate. This is pure rhetoric. You think that the statement is wrong? Well just say that then instead of bawling all over the place about how it hurts puppies. Plenty of people who support Palestinians call Israel an apartheid state because calling a spade for a spade (the truth) is good practice for justice and truth.

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